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Desc:It appears archers have been nerfed by modernity
Category:Educational, Sports
Tags:archery, text to speech, THAC0, larsandersen23, anti-kyudo
Submitted:exy
Date:03/07/14
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EvilHomer
Suck it, knights.
EvilHomer
Can an archery nerd comment on the _historical accuracy_ of this method of shooting? He certainly proves it's effectiveness, and it's nice that he's been able to take some heretofore presumed to be "false" historical accounts and demonstrate that they were, in fact, possible... but that still leaves the question of whether this WAS the way in which some, most, or even (as certain segments seem to imply) all ancient masters shot.

For example, in this video, it is claimed that Mr. Andersen "studied the ancient master archers of China, Turkey, Persia". OK, in what way, exactly? Were there actually written accounts of Chinese archers holding a quivers-worth of arrows in their hand? Were there many drawings of such techniques? Or did Mr Andersen simply pick out some of the more extravagant claims of the chroniclers, and set about finding ways in which to accomplish them? The video takes pains to show various pieces of art that corroborate the historicity of his unorthodox (but still widely accepted) hip-shooting technique. Yet we see the arrow-holding technique in only one of the cited pieces, the detail from the Bayeux Tapestry, and to the best of my knowledge that one colonial oppressor is the only archer in the entire tapestry to be shown firing like that (although admittedly, there's only like five archers on the damn thing in the first place). That does not not seem to engender confidence in the claim that this style of shooting was widespread - and further, if this was the case, since Mr Andersen's hand-quiver technique was obviously known to at least a few ancient peoples, it begs the question of why the technique was not more widely adopted. If hand-quiver shooting really conferred such a large advantage, you'd think that anyone who saw it in action (like the Normans and Saxons at Hastings) would have dumped their historian-approved style of archery and gone to work turning themselves into bow-slinging human machine guns. What might the disadvantages be? Mr Andersen does not say.

Anyway, I really don't know enough about the sources he's using (or not using) to say. Can anyone help us out?

yogarfield
He soundly trumped the Legolas Delusion. Don't know why you need any more convincing than that. If you really want answers, somebody should fire up the Lindybeige Signal.

badideasinaction
Not a historian here at all, so take this all with a giant grain of salt.

Saw elsewhere he uses a 30 pound draw (due to his LARPer background, which limits bow draw to that) - that's a far cry from the longbow estimates.

I didn't think you'd ever want your longbowmen that close to make this a viable tactic - that style relied on distance and lots of archers to rain down arrows, more like artillery than machine guns, didn't it? Or better put, if your longbowmen were close enough to need to rapid fire arrows at close range, you're doing it wrong.

Makes sense for mounted archers though.

oddeye
I put my bretonnian longbow-men in that triangle formation all the time.

MurgatroidMendelbaum
I want to hear Lindybeige's opinion on this.
SteamPoweredKleenex
"You see, eh, uh, this is, uh, not accurate, as anyone can, ah, see if you, ah, look at the Bayeux Tapestry where, ah, we see these armored knights clearly, eh, using bows fashioned from, ah, the bones of small animals and not, ah, children, as most people foolishly believe. Also, the tapestry itself is, ah, wrong, as it's made from woven, er, cloth, which makes NO sense, erm, when one looks at the fashions of the, ah, day, which were clearly produced by, ah, gluing together, erm, fish."

EvilHomer
I'll offer him my rebuttal.

yogarfield
of COURSE he was already mentioned in this thread.

infinite zest
"In the past some warrior used armor."
mouser
Needs a THACO tag.
exy
Sounds good

Jet Bin Fever
Man that takes me back.

Bort
The Justice League will be contacting you shortly.
SteamPoweredKleenex
Not before he shows if he can shoot a boxing glove arrow.

Bort
Does this count?

http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=132271

Mr. Purple Cat Esq.
Very coolinteresting.
Kieran27
Love to see more of this guy's actual technique. Most of this just shows arrows hitting targets or the archer from far away. Just two minutes of him shooting from one angle good would be great.
Old People
CSB: in Iraq a friend of mine, a totally worthless Forward Observer with a penchant for huffing keyboard duster, somehow got tasked out to support an Air Force Combat Controller whose job it was to sit in a reed patch down by the canal and shoot insurgents coming downstream in punts full of weapons. The Air Force guy used a no-shit compound bow to do the job. I did not believe it until I ran into my FO buddy wandering across a FOB with the Air Force guy, a big grim dude with a black bow-and-arrows case over his shoulder.
Apparently finding a corpse with an arrow in its heart freaked out the insurgents way worse than bullets, for whatever reason. I've read that our Lurps used similar tactics in Vietnam.
As it is, I can barely make an M4 do what I want it to, so kudos to the dudes on the front lines who are packing heat from the Paleolithic.
RockBolt
But did he also have bagpipes and a Scottish broadsword?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill

Old People
Wow! No, nothing so awesome- just chewing tobacco and stoicism; yet another example of the unimaginative, Southern-fried failed-jock type who keeps the wolf from the door.


misterbuns
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exy
Dude I don't think they had compound bows in the paleolithic era

Old_Zircon
I'm not so sure they even had them in the Victorian era.

Old People
You clowns know what I mean.

misterbuns
in 2013 lars andersen refers to himself in third person using text to speech program
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