So the video has been removed, but it's mentioned here, and some of the YT video is in the news report:
|Oscar Wildcat |
Eight years, people. Eight. long. years.
I'm glad YT has both the courage and the foresight to delete primary sources relevant to newsworthy events.
Was this guy actually one of the TFLers, or just an unaffiliated loser?
|Father Avalanche |
It was incredible how little he actually believed what he was saying.
|Scrotum H. Vainglorious |
Here's the Liveleak upload of the video.
Apparently he was the son of an Assistant Director on Hunger Games, Peter Rodgers. Good looking kid, rich parents, nice BMW, none of it could fill the hole inside of course....
"He had Asperger's Syndrome and had a hard time making friends."
SON OF A FILM DIRECTOR, YOU SAY? A _HOLLYWOOD_ FILM DIRECTOR?
Aurora, Colorado! Wake up, America!
My theory: dad volunteered the guy for this. He was not killed by the cops, but rather, "disappeared", probably to a secret NWO resort in the mountains of Peru. His virginity was FAKED, and sex is being emphasized because that's what the Illuminati wants; us to have sex, or kill if we don't. The "victims" may have been actors, or may have been blood offerings to Satan, not sure which.
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So this is Peter Rodgers's (AD for the Hunger Games) kid?
The acting is on par.
Money doesn't make good people no siree.
I envy people who want to take their problems out on everybody else. Me, I just want to end myself.
Damn, son, that's pretty heavy, even for POETV. Here are some distractions from the horrible shit that goes on in our heads:
Go for a brisk walk. Works every time for me.
Go do something cool. Get some friends together and go see the absolute worst movie that's currently playing. Score some of your favorite drug. Get a bubble tea at the mall.
Call somebody who you know is doing even worse than you are, just to say hi and catch up and make them feel a bit better.
Go on okcupid and message 5 different chicks. You can't hit the ball if you don't swing the bat.
Don't fucking kill yourself. There's no reason to believe that whatever comes after death is any better than your current deal.
Stand up straight and walk tall. It actually makes you feel better.
Take JPL's Basics of Space Flight course.
See? We're all attached, and since we're nerds, geeks, bronies, furries, bouncers, emos, vampires, gamers, coders, and goths, we'll rage if you leave.
BorrowedSolution, I like you and the rest of poetv does too. We want you here. We want you to stay.
After my mom died when I was 20, I was left to basically find a job and suddenly support a 00+bills apartment. My best friend moved in to get a job and "help" and ends up stabbing me in the back and being a mooch.
Ive lost my family and my best friend and wanted to end my life, but I didn't give up. Do the things Old People suggests, and if that doesn't work, give your life to a cause.
If I ever wanted to snuff it really bad again, I think I'd instead go devote my life to a cat rescue foundation.
Gooble Gobble, Gooble Gobble,
one of us, one of us.
Rodents of Unusual Size
Borrowed Solution, that was me for years but I found it in myself to continue. Every human can find a purpose, can find truth and at the very least love themselves. I encourage you to keep going, so that you will eventually triumph in this, love yourself unconditionally, and find the path you are meant to be on so that you may find happiness.
Well, today poeTV became the only online suicide support group I've seen that doesn't come off as full of shit. I wish Tommy had known you guys.
I wasted a lot of time venting to Google and the NSA yesterday in a similar mood.
Solution: there is a solution to everything.
talk to people. it will be okay
Just to make sure, those five stars down there include you, BorrowedSolution.
Ditto with ROUS' sentiment. ;(
D'aww. Thanks, guys. I guess I can console myself that I'm not a virginal, narcissistic, clueless misanthrope with access to firearms. That's something.
Thanks again, everybody. The melancholia (for lack of a better word) broke last night, I actually slept uninterrupted instead of waking up every half an hour with doom on my mind. Then I woke up with my physical coordination back and it no longer feels like my head is in a pillow-y vice, so I'm ready to grab my guitar and go track down some of my many, many new friends whom I haven't seen in a few days because I've been hiding out in Self-Hatred World.
And with that, I am off.
I was really hoping there was some kind of typo in the original comment and everyone had completely misinterpreted it, resulting in unnecessary outpourings of sympathy and then awkwardness all around.
But it's still good to know you're out of self-hatred world.
pyslexic: If I hadn't been commenting while half-asleep (I was still in bed and miserable) I never would have posted that.
|Rodents of Unusual Size |
Holy shit, what a fucking BABY.
LIFE isn't fair, shithead. Try growing up in a shack in the Philippines or Rwanda and complain because you born with AIDS. You tremendous cowardly piece of dog crap.
I'm glad you died you worthless motherfucker.
Rodents of Unusual Size
Also, ABC News just called this video "cryptic". No, this wasn't cryptic at ALL. He PLAINLY spells out his intention to murder women. That isn't cryptic at all, that is a full admission of guilt.
Oh the media's going to have a field day with this. Remember when.. I can't remember the videogame, but The Matrix was blamed for Columbine, as was Marilyn Manson. This rich guy's rich dad does The Hunger Games, which I haven't seen but I'm pretty sure it's about kids killing kids. It was because of Columbine that I had to search through various bootleg VCD stores to find Battle Royale like it was the holy fucking grail. They also banned Lord of the Flies even though we had to read it in high school right before the Thurston shooting happened in Eugene. So we didn't have to submit our book reports. That was all.
What really gets to me is the man's status. Like I said below, I was a dork wearing tattered clothes riding a bike and bought my one used car at a Hail Sale (if you live in the Midwest, it's cheaper than Police Auctions and less likely to have drugs somewhere in case you get pulled over) I felt down and out when I was 18. I didn't have any friends and everybody was a "Todd" or an "Ashley" (codeword for frat kids, sorry to any real Todds or Ashleys) and I couldn't go to the bars.. I was seriously lonely. And sooooooo much colder than I was in Portland over thanksgiving where I tried to make a hand turkey out of a pancake, drank the rest of the tequilla mixed with gatorade (don't do it) and cried myself asleep alone because everyone else could go back home and I couldn't.
Getting laid wasn't my problem. It was my two grandmas who were both dying of cancer at the same time, so my problem was being to only one in the family who wasn't in Oregon or Australia who could visit her. Was I 18? Did I want to get laid? Sure. Kiss me on the Greyhound random stranger.
I see people at my work all the time getting pissed because it didn't work out, maybe off some ok cupid date or something, but it's usually at the bar, which this man was old enough to attend. So away goes the ontological ramifications of frat/house parties or nothing else. I've been shot at work by someone who we never would've expected would even own a gun. The man in question was nice enough, never asked questions but he also looked and acted a bit more like Fedsmoker than this man, who, in my personal opinion, was very hot, drove a BMW, had the world ahead of him and all the ladies he could want. I don't know.
Rodents of Unusual Size
infinite zest, it pains me you went through that. I was threatened a few times at my shitty retail job next to a liquor store by junkies and thugs. I came this close to being shot but luckily I wasn't. I really feel for you, man. I'm so glad you made it out alive.
But I am really gonna disagree with the statement from you, Binro. NO ONE should have coddled him. We coddle people way too fucking much in America so they don't face reality. If anything his unreasonable expectations towards life led him to a road of complete self destruction.
I am infuriated because the media will totally miss out on what is important here and that is every single human being has to make a choice in life. This man was selfish and lived his life only thinking about himself. But you won't see a news story about that any time soon.
Also I'm going to call this ahead of time and say his psychotic break may have been the fault of prescription antidepressants. All of these shooters are on them and no one bothers to call out the pharma industry at all because video game companies don't pay for Senators.
Rodents of Unusual Size
I'm don't blame Big Pharma for everything, but I think what happens is shitheads like this will sometimes take anti depressants and they trigger something in the brain that sends them over the edge. They still make the choice to do this, are still immoral, and still have no excuse. Don't get me wrong. But I think there is also a biochemical component at play which is often linked to these shootings which merits far more investigation than we've seen, especially regarding their coverage and impact.
After hearing that this person had Asperger's and was using anti-depressants as well as my experience with an anti-depressant, I'm pretty convinced that psychiatric drugs and autism do not mix.
One of these days I hope some one will step up amidst all these "horrors of autism" and bring up a simple piece, that embracing a bit of - what should be but the beauty of our brains and biology never ceases - rhetoric of "what if you feel completely disassociated with society and people around you despite wanting to be with it" is a more genuine, empathetic look.
Maybe one day people who try to run the gamut of life will realize that they're trying, and that no amount of trying will ever bring out anything remotely sincere. It's a cold war for the sheltered and a bitter embrace by the living.
Binro, there's absolutely zero proof anywhere that there wasn't anyone out there that didn't humor him or sympathize with his plight. It's absolutely possible a number of people did, but they were not up to his lofty standards.
|infinite zest |
God. I watched the whole thing and I nearly threw up. I was used to not getting laid in college: I went to one of the biggest frat/sorority colleges in the country. Tried to go to a couple of the parties. Felt rejected. Felt sad. Felt suicidal. In Portland I was accepted and in Madison I was a "faggot freak." This was when I was 18 so it's not so far off. I wasn't a virgin but all my sexual encounters in Portland were one night stands and I began to think "people just want to fuck the freak. What the fuck am I doing here!?!" So I moved into a co-op which was on the same street as Sorority Row. Did we like the frat boys and sorority girls? Not especially. They were going around with their backwards baseball caps and Juicy Couture and I was riding around on my fixie to comparative lit classes.
I was angry at them. I went to one frat house party and was treated nearly as bad as Carrie: The whole place just laughed at me. Then threw paint on me and I left humiliated, walking home as the paint froze around my clothes. Things like that, suicidal girlfriends and cheating wives have plagued me for most of my life. Watching your "best friend" fucking your wife and getting pushed down a flight of stairs and told to "scram," and that I was cum in a condom that should've been thrown behind the bed as I suffered a concussion.
In my various experiences of shit, I've always chosen to walk in the other direction. And I always will. Thing is, this kid's car looks pretty nice (I was riding a fixie when fixies were NOT cool and if you didn't have a moped..) he had options. I don't know. I wish I had known this kid and convinced him that things really do get better.. that Batman eventually kills the Joker.. I dunno I'm really sad. Sorry for the rant. But I do that sometimes.
I wish you'd tell us all a story about how someone fucked you over and you beat them unconscious with a baseball bat and left them at the edge of an ocean at low tide to see if the universe would bother waking them up in time, but then you left because you realized you didn't care.
Not that I endorse such actions, but we'd all like you to win occasionally.
The fact that you experienced all that rejection and pain and still have some semblance of love in your bleeding heart makes you millions of miles better than this guy. It's not because he was autistic that he did this, not because he was rejected, made fun of, or alone, it was because he was evil.
Evil people, overall, have a very hard time in life. It just sucks when good people are exposed to great deals of evil. If you continue putting out good into the world, it will come back to you, if not from others, then from yourself.
All the evil I have in me was exhausted when I hugged the guy who would run away with my wife, telling him the usual shit "it's ok you were both drunk" and then kneed him right in the balls. I guess it doesn't work so good down there to this day for him.
This guy reminds me of Clay's character's friends from Ellis' Less Than Zero (not the movie, the book) It's not a masterpiece but it paints a picture of what it's like to be very privileged and cynical. "I have everything but all I want is this.." it's not a spoiler really but Clay just wants the girl, eventually just walks away from some pretty fucked up shit his other rich UCLA friends are doing to achieve that. Maybe it's not a good thing, but I consider Clay one of my role models (and my guinea pig.. RIP Clay 2002-2010) :(
His brother was Kavalier but it wasn't a total Chabon reference.. anyway thanks for reading!
memedumpster it's funny that you say that because I watched "Creepshow" when I was like 6 with my dad (we weren't supposed to) and the scene at the beach really effected me. Here's "Good Guy" Frank Drebin being a total dick and burying the guy from Cheers in the sand!?! Something ain't right here. Oh yeah. He couldn't get what he wanted. Guy from Cheers stole his girlfriend or something. So then nobody can have it. Then the logical conclusion when they come back as fish monsters. I hate to break it down in such terms but doing something like this man's actions is the equivalent of taking your toys and going home.
Or, maybe creating the first revenant origined fish monster is an instant Nobel Prize?
I'm kidding, I'm glad you're a level headed, logical, compassionate, good guy. You may be the only Lawful Good character on poeTV.
Huh. You know, I was just thinking about that movie yesterday, first time in years; I was eating lunch on some rocks outside my house, just as the tide was coming in. I was not thinking about how messed up it was. Rather, I was thinking about how I would never get away with it here; while the tide comes in fairly quickly on most days, the beach isn't secluded enough, and anyone I left buried neck deep in the sand would be able to cry out and alert passersby long before they drowned and turned into vengeful fish-zombies.
Rodents of Unusual Size
infinite zest, you are a good man. I really mean that. It's so easy to seek vengeance, it takes a real man to turn the other cheek and CHOOSE, to make the CHOICE to not become the violent, sadist that populates our worst memories, that forms the worst part of humanity. You chose not to be that even though at the time it appeared those people somehow had what you didn't. They didn't have anything. They had no honor, no love, no compassion, no humanity. They lost humanity when they did that to you. It left them. They emptied themselves of it.
People do this every day. They forgo their humanity. They say there are no consequences. There are always, always consequences.
Rodents of Unusual Size
Also I didn't lose my virginity until I was 25, my father I never knew, my mother died when I was 13, I was abused terribly, my sister tried to stab me with a butcher knife and push me off a cliff (separate occasions), my grandmother and uncle both disowned me, and I was constantly just abandoned by people I peripherally hung out with in college because I just didn't know how to tell myself I deserved more. I didn't have any concept of how to tell myself I was worth anything. So I didn't expect it of other people.
This kid had most of life handed to him on a silver platter. I think that's why we're all reacting this way. We're going over our worst pain, and there's a lot of pain being expressed here. Even if he had major psychological problems, he chose to victimize himself in his head. The unforgivable sin is causing more pain in the world, of bringing pain into the world, of unleashing pain into the world, and this kid chose to bring pain and death. He made himself into a storm of pain because he wasn't getting laid.
It's so unthinkable to me, but maybe what someone should have taught him is how to appreciate what you have, and how to view the world through new eyes. I know it's reality TV but that show "World's Strictest Parents" had some absolutely touching moments, like the girl who partied a lot and took drugs and didn't listen to her parents until she goes to India and visits a school for the blind and completely breaks down because she can't believe how little they have and how much she's taken from the world.
If this is a wake up call, it should be to the mentality of taking from the world and not giving anything back. This is the ultimate form of it.
il fiore bel
" I wish I had known this kid and convinced him that things really do get better.. "
Especially if you'd preceded it with a well-timed pimpslap.
And put that on Youtube.
In all seriousness though, infinite, that fucking sucks, and I'm glad you were always the bigger person.
My stars go towards everyone one of you rough necks. Even Gmork, who to me has always seemed to be a person struggling with having to grow up faster than he/she should have.
@Baleen's comment on autism. I think the problem is that "my/his autism did this to me" is that it negates an indirect problem. His condition didn't cause him to do it, but it did bring a product that he was never given any forewarning. In short, and something that everyone faces, is that though socializing often comes with validation whether petty or profound, living alone is a difficult, but much more empowering than trying to be in.
There is no reason to sympathize with this schmuck. There's a huge reason to hate his parents, his lifestyle, his luck and ungrateful head in the cloud demeanor. He isn't just a product of being worn from autism, but from being around dishonest, scared pansies who are about as brave and upfront and trusting as a cartoon caricature of a bucked tooth, world war 2 japanese lawyer with a pair of shears.
The only thing my autism did to me was get me grilled by a prick of a physician in a mental hospital who wouldn't let me explain why I was having trouble communicating while trying to figure out how to explain why it looked like I had a headache. Seriously, his time was so precious that the moment I mentioned my condition he immediately replied with "Your autism does not do that" followed by a bare minimum physical with a stethoscope.
Giving up at 22? The guy must have been on his way out of college. He could have at least tried out the real world.
|The New Meat |
That fake evil chuckle he keeps doing is hilariously forced.
At least in death, now the entire world can see what a fucking piece of shit baby he was.
I don't really understand his psychology. One moment he talks about what a great guy and gentleman he is, the next moment he's murdering people. Great guys and gentlemen don't do that sort of thing.
Cena, how could you understand the Sexual Hunger Games?
That's why I ain't teaming up
The key to understanding is this:
He's not a great guy because of the qualities he has. Rather, he is by definition a great guy. That's what being a "great guy" means: being like him. When he viewed himself as a gentleman and a nice guy, those were traits that indicated great-guy-ness. But when you push a Great Guy far enough, they become violent. Because that's what he does.
What a self-serving sack of shit.
|Spaceman Africa |
Rot in hell you beta piece of shit.
lel you tell em jay t doggzone
His diabolical laugh needs work.
Another shooting legalized prostitution could have prevented.
|Caminante Nocturno |
Not to side with the PUAs or anything, but that article is fairly misleading and needlessly inflammatory. It's clear from the information given that this fellow was NOT a member of the PUA community - but rather, a very vocal anti-PUA - and the tasteless response from the PUA "community" which the author promises to reveal amounts to little more than a single PUA scammer taking the opportunity to plug his services.
Which raises a few points to consider. Could it be said that PUAs can actually serve a psychotherapeutic purpose, in so far as they might prevent sexually frustrated Betas from snapping? And should PUAs adopt a more socially responsible approach to their practice, such as by taking extra care to teach their "students" not just simple seduction techniques, but also how to be less narcissistic and more respectful towards women and The Game? A sort of "gentleman's PUA", if you will?
...so I smiled, and was attentive, and listened carefully to what she said. AND IT SEEMED TO BE WORKING! But! There was one small problem...
That article was written by a woman, so I'm sure you can gauge the response to it by just playing the video above over again.
Unmerciful Crushing Force
There is a guy, Zan Perrion is more on that route. He's still a bit narcissistic, but he goes out of his way to be more about actual communication and less about the bedroom. I have a good friend who well smart above this stuff who sings his praises, so I'll his word for it.
They don't necessarily have to be "nice" guys, but surely there can be more to the seduction community than just landing a string of somewhat satisfactory one-night-stands? If you look at the most famous PUAs in history, men like Casanova, Don Juan, Fabio, or Golgo 13, there was so much more to their art than just getting tail. They were deep, cunning charcters who provided invaluable companionship services to lonely, emotionally complex women... and got lots of tail. They may not have been "nice guys" in the sense that the term is generally understood, and their dalliances may have often closed on the bitter end of bitter-sweet, but they were also far from shallow, one-note sex predators!
It's like the difference between a geisha and a whore. Sure, sometimes all we want is a whore, an easy slab of vagina to soothe the savage dick. But a true geisha is a rare treat, and it takes a real seductress to perform their art the way they do.
Sure, it's possible.
But it's not going to show up out of the current PUA community, because the current PUA community embodies the sentiments expressed by the entitled murderer in the video above. That's how PUAs make money, because they appeal to the narcissistic sense of entitlement evidenced by shooting dude.
PUA isn't just "how 2 get with women," it has a specific reactionary misogynist ideology–the whole redpill alphabeta hypergamy bullshit. Actually viewing sex with women as anything other than an unpleasant thing that you do *to* women in order to score alpha points and win at manliness would require giving up this deeply held ideology, upon which all their methods are based.
This particular dude was a "PUAhate" member, but all that means is that he bought into the ideology and misogyny, just not that the pyramid scam techniques being sold would actually work.
Seriously, it's like wondering if Stormfront might help out with race relations; if only they'd drop the whole racism thing.
The whole PUA thing is for guys who think that learning how to pick up ladies is like learning videogame cheat codes, and for guys who approach interaction with other human beings as some sort of BEEP BOOP interface that needs to be learned THE HUMAN FEMALE OBSERVED ME WITH HER SIGHT-CIRCLES AND PROCEEDED TO ISSUE SPEECH-NOISES FROM HER TALK-MOUTH WHAT SHOULD I HAVE DONE?!?
This guy posted to which describes itself as the 'Anti-Pickup-Artist Movement' and aims to reveal 'the scams, deception, and misleading marketing techniques used by dating gurus and the seduction community to deceive men and profit from them.' These are all of the guys who have blew a lot of time and money on books and seminars and such that are supposed to help them get women but have still failed - not that they're interested in sounding the alarm about how dysfunctional the whole PUA thing is, they're guys who are just really bitter they still haven't gotten the chicks they were entitled to even though they did everything they were supposed to. Really, really, really bitter.
@Evilhomer's first post.
He was anti-PUA? So basically he felt his reasoning of railing against those cheapening the "woman" race to nothing but sex toys made him inherently a "nice guy", thus giving him plenty a poon tang to make him normal. Funny, it's like he's the protagonist turned antagonist from Daniel Clowe's "Death Ray". I think playing out the entire "normal" life affair may have aided in his snapping in a pretty brutal way.
So much for impressions from the "down to earth" people.
Note: I'm projecting the "normal" bit there. I'm pretty certain anyone with a mental disability inherently perceives something is off and will go through a phase of finding solid ground. No matter how shallow and conniving and ends up being.
I always believed that the whole PUA thing is the result of boys who learn about sex ed from old Pepe Le Pew cartoons.
|Chocolate Jesus |
Rodger's 'My Twisted World' manifesto / memoir. Truly the work of a vacuous trifling loser.
Oh man that reminds me, how is your novel coming along baleen?
for one day, santa barbara was not boring.
Well thank goodness the NSA was spying on most of the internet and planets phone communication and caught this before anything happened.
Aw fuck me. I had to open up and admit my condition.
Now I'll just get a trip to the sodomy convention if I step outside. :(
This is going to be 4 different shitty movies. Our society is fucking terrible.
|Billy the Poet |
These two threads have reminded me that there are some good-hearted people on this site. Cheers and IcySpicy Leoncie vids to you all.
|pyslexic dharmacist |
TFL? I don't think so. This guy was attractive. Only physically, as proved in the video, but conventionally attractive. He could have approached any shy, lonely, not-so-conventionally-attractive woman on campus, smiled and pretended to be interested in what she was reading, and had a decent chance at a relationship. If he just wanted to stick his dick in any female, I'm sure there are plenty of places in Santa Barbara to get a "massage." Hell, some women apparently spread their legs based on the car you drive or the clubs you get into.
Either this guy ignored everyone who didn't look/act like the sorority girl archetype, and/or he repeatedly let slip his true opinion of women to their faces. Whichever it was, he got what all misogynist crybabies deserve.
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