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Desc:Somehow this would magically transform him into a well adjusted guy who could fit in and meet girls.
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Tags:BAD IDEA, backfire, cognitive distortions, elliot Rodger, isla vista
Submitted:Scrotum H. Vainglorious
Date:05/26/14
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Scrotum H. Vainglorious
Err thought it would be a good idea for him to move there according to his manifesto. What a mind fuck for his parents.
fedex
Here's some more mindfuck! PUA and TFL going mainstream
http://www.salon.com/2014/05/27/inside_the_terrifying_twisted_ online_world_of_involuntary_celibates/

John Holmes Motherfucker
>>What happened is punishment for evil and violence of feminists and liberals. Any of you supporting atrocities like women’s suffrage, immodest clothing, child support/alimony, no ban on adultery, ban on prostitution and a lack of female premarital chastity, all the things that drove this young man to be unable to find a girlfriend, are disgusting , horrible people and you created a culture where this is possible.

It's obvious that he's the REAL victim here. Boo fucking
hoo.

>>Society would rather perish than change its ways. … Even without fixing modern women, legalized prostitution could easily prevent at least some of these killing sprees. The people of modern culture are stupid beyond help: they refuse to understand that if you kick a nice dog enough times, it will become a mean dog. No dog is entitled to even one bone, they say.

I really don't understand why prostitution has to be legal to prevent killing sprees, which, after all, are also illegal.

You can have a bone if you like, but you're not entitled to sex. Just get over it. Billions of people are not getting laid , and it's always been that way.

pastorofmuppets
Pretty sure gun control would have done an ok job of preventing this. I'm not saying that having the government step and force hot girls to sleep with losers to fix their self-eseteem *wouldn't* have prevented this, I'm just saying not giving handguns to everyone who asks for one might be an easier thing to actually get implemented.

SolRo
So, eh, what are the good ideas for overcoming long-standing social isolation and awkwardness? (for non-PUA/psychos)
SolRo
...I'm asking for a friend.

ashtar.
try
www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=40606

Maru
If you don't have a social circle then you either have to go back to school or meet people at your job.

BorrowedSolution
Solro: learn to drink with homeless people. It's companionship that makes you feel better about your life, win-win.


EvilHomer
One good thing is to wear Axe body spray, which is made to attract the ladies, not the dang homos. You can play dating games on your Nintendo DS, those have good advice, and animes can give you tips, too. I recommend Excel Saga and Angel of Darkness.

Another thing to try is going to the mall with a sign around your neck, clearly spelling out your desire for a boyfriend-free girl. Pace in front of GameStop, playing Pokemon and muttering to yourself; this is a good way to initiate conversation with boyfriend-free girls. If you are artistically inclined, you can even sit in the food court and draw comics! Girls will stop and ask you about the comics, and then you can explain to the girls how you created an electric rainbow hedgehog-pony named Sonidash, and how you use her to live out your various intricate revenge fantasies, like your latest issue, which is about how Sonidash helps her creator RemohLive gun down a bunch of stuck-up sorority girls who are guilty of HAVING BOYFRIENDS and TROLLING ME BY HAVING BOYFRIENDS.

Just watch out for that dang Mary Lee Walsh, or you might end up dying as a virgin-with-rage like poor old Elliot Rodger!

magnesium
Signing up for crap usually does it. Take a fitness class or a cooking class or whatever. If you're so far removed that you can't socialize, it's not going to make you any real friends, per se, but you'll at least force yourself to associate with other humans twice a week.

Adham Nu'man
Volunteer, start doing some type of sport that you enjoy.

spikestoyiu
Totally serious answer: Totally anecdotal, but I overcame a lot of social anxiety and whatnot by traveling alone for a while. Places where I didn't speak the language and I was likely to run into another lone traveler. That helped a lot.

Full disclosure: I was not nearly as bad as this dude. Just a bit of an introvert.

Old_Zircon
I was going to post exactly what ashtar posted.

themilkshark
Awkwardness has to be overcome by defeating it. What I mean is that you have to put yourself in what you consider awkward social situations until they are no longer awkward. Talk to the cashier the whole time you get rang up at the store. If you can sustain a 3-4 minute conversation, congratulations! You're overcoming awkwardness. After that you need to step it up, so start asking questions to fellow shoppers. Smile, be polite, ask something that seems relevant (don't talk about cookies in the shampoo aisle, talk about something nearby) and thank them for the advice. You can make friends anywhere, people are just afraid to do it. Don't be scared and people will follow your lead.

Hooker
I have basically five major leisure activities: gaming, literature, [watching] hockey, bad films, and professional wrestling.

In gaming, I used to post on the GameSpot forums, and the community of people I regularly talked to on there split off to form its own forum. From that, I have a circle of friends that I consider myself pretty close to, albeit have never met face-to-face (even though many of them have because of that community). I also had two prolonged stints with World of Warcraft, which led to some fairly strong friendships.

I studied literature in college and participated in some writers workshops for a while, making a lot of friends (real life ones!) that way.

In hockey, I closely follow my home team (Canucks) and used to post on HFBoards for shy of a year (the place is awful), then got news of a spinoff board from that which is pretty similar to POE in tone. I probably could meet up with any of the other Vancouver posters from there if I were so inclined.

My love of bad films goes back to grade nine when I made friends with a guy who is today my longest friendship - we still watch bad movies every weekend. I used to host it at my place and he would invite a bunch of his friends over (mostly friends he made at work), who I made friends with as well.

In professional wrestling, I used to follow my local independent promotion closely, go to all the shows, and post on the site's message board. Through that, I got to know a handful of people. I'm also quite vocal at shows and met people that just casually attended shows, including someone that's probably my second-closest friend to this day.

I never tried to make friends through any of these hobbies, but I wound up with friends from them anyway. Now, to be clear, I only have two friends (as mentioned above) that I actually converse with regularly as I'm not really the type to have a large circle of friends, and I hate large gatherings of people I otherwise enjoy the company of because I invariably just talk to the person I'm most interested in talking to. But the main thing to talking to someone is to have something to say to them that they're interested in talking about as well. A shared hobby is invaluable in that regard.

If you're looking for someone to hook up with, use okcupid. I've never used it, but apparently that's how everyone meets everyone else now.

Merzbau
themilkshark seconded. That (along with getting the fuck out of Alabama and never looking back and finally getting treatment for a lifelong anxiety disorder) has helped turn my life around. It won't get me the years I lost back, and I'm not going to lie, the thought of going back to college at 31 (which I'm doing, for art history and English, so I have a lifetime of underemployment to look forward to) fucking sucks and genuinely makes me panic sometimes, but you have to get out there and DO STUFF. Eventually you'll hit a point where you can stop thinking about the fastest route to the exit and avoiding eye contact in case you start shaking and you can start kind of having fun. Alcohol helps. Tremendously.

Oscar Wildcat
@Ashtar : if staring at an asian girls knockers for one minute could cure aspbergers we'd have a nation of Don Juans at every Gamestop.

memedumpster
Get a notebook and a pen, or whatever looks appropriate to you space cadets, go to a town where no one knows you, then pass yourself off as a restaurant blogger for free meals. It may seem like I'm advising you to lie for free food, but the purpose is to show you that people aren't psychic and when they look at you they do not see all the little horrible things you think about yourself. They only get what you present to them.

It's important to know that.

Also, free meals to enjoy while you contemplate this.

BorrowedSolution
I was just barely joking about drinking with homeless people.

misterbuns
just go 2 parties, dawg

Old_Zircon
"Oscar Wildcat
@Ashtar : if staring at an asian girls knockers for one minute could cure aspbergers we'd have a nation of Don Juans at every Gamestop."

It couldn't hurt to try a few times.




A day.

svraz
Check out this site for good advice: http://www.doctornerdlove.com/

ashtar.
I'm comfortable with rednecks, D&D nerds, intellectuals, and weird hippies. These are all groups that drinking school "wooo!" people look down on and avoid. It can be a real mindfuck when you don't fit in with the party people; everyone's having fun and you're not, and you feel like you're missing out on what's 'normal'. Bad idea indeed.
misterbuns
http://wizardchan.org/v9k/res/99511.html#100401

Hooker
Yeah, I'm most comfortable with social undesirables as well. I fit in with "normal," party-on-the-weekend types fine, and sometimes I really feel the social pressure to be like that, but every time I involve myself in nightlife/party life/whatever, I immediately become and stay emotionally drained for as long as I'm in that environment. But sitting down and talking to someone with interesting things to say I can do all night.

WOOO!

Adham Nu'man
GOOBLE GABBLE!

Oscar Wildcat
Jesus Christ, Mr. B. That's some pile of fucked up nonsense right there. Can you explain all that shit to me, or something? I don't even know where to begin.

memedumpster
Isn't it amazing how absolutely credible and upstanding they make the Church of Scientology look?

asian hick
Wizardchan is a website for virgins. Like, literally. That is the stated purpose of the website. These virgins refer to themselves as "wizards". As you might expect of such a site, the place is just an echo chamber of neuroses, misogyny, m'ladys and MRA. I can't even begin to unpack half the issues going on in that thread.

Oscar Wildcat
It's so.... well developed. An entire taxonomy to describe the virginal state. Wizards? WIZARDS!?!? The mind reels.

Adham Nu'man
Wizards... Mind blown.

Oscar Wildcat
"And yeah I would say that Cho was v9k. He was apparently a very shy 'tfwngf' loner. I would bet almost anything that he was a kissless virgin"

This is barking madness on the shoals of insanity. Abandon all hope ye who enter here.

EvilHomer
I've seen a lot of stupid chans in my life, but that has got to be the stupidest.

misterbuns
far as I can tell wizards were celibate or sexless loners who devoted their life to studying weird shit in isolated towers.

these people are identifying with that mythology to reclaim their sexless life of isolation as something empowering.

…i guess?

EvilHomer
There be rumblings on some o'the other wizardchan boards; seems the news mentioned a possible connection between Elliot and wizardchan, and now the Eye of Sauron is the turning upon them. I recommend everybody gets in there and reads as much as possible before asshats from 4chan or wherever start raiding and ruin the wizard's delicate ecosystem.

Related question: what is it with NEETs and their NEET pride these days?

SolRo
Because NEETs that are ashamed of themselves won't brag about it? Kind of a dumb question.

EvilHomer
That answer is a non-sequitor, SolRo. I did not ask why, judging by posting habbits, the NEET community seems to be overwhelmingly biased in favour of proud NEETs (and it does). Obviously, NEETs who are proud of being NEETs will typically be the only ones to speak openly about their lfestyle.

Rather, the question is: why are there any proud NEETs at all? Have there always been narcissistic NEETs, and it is only now we have the internet that they're coming out of the woodwork? Is this is a modern phenomenon? Is there something in our culture that promotes NEETness, pride, or proud NEETness? Is it a hugbox effect, whereby normal, self-loathing NEETs learn to become proud of their NEET status, by means of positive reinforcement from likeminded internet dwellers?

I have no idea, but I'd like to hear people's theories.

EvilHomer
Also SolRo, if you are a NEET, then I apologize if I sounded harsh or critical. I know a number of NEETs in real life, and by and large they got the way they did through little fault of their own (substance addiction and severe emotional trauma), and most NEETs do in fact make good faith efforts towards changing their lot in life.

misterbuns
Jesus christ what have I done.

Oscar Wildcat
I warned you about this, Mr. B. You have opened the door to another dimension and now the Wizards of Vaginal Repulsion have emerged to infect the eager young Brony minds here. Virgin Soil, as it were. I fear a great wallowing in this foolishness will set upon us shortly.

SolRo
considering some of the shit people are proud of on the internet, being a jobless shut-in would seem like a good thing to some.

BorrowedSolution
I knew nothing of Wizards nor NEETs until this thread came along.

Bless you, Internet.

BiggerJ
EvilHomer: I have no fucking clue but I would LOVE for a psychologist or whatever to do a study concerning NEETs, Wizardchan, Loveshies, Red Pill etc. to figure that out.

I remember reading about at least one person researching furries like that, but researching this instead would be vastly more useful, yet it seems that people don't talk about (or even make fun of) NEETs and so on as much as they did with furries (back when making fun of furries was more common), probably because unlike with furries, they don't even want to THINK about those kinds of people.


Oscar Wildcat
It's something streaming out of Mr. B's interdimensional asshole. Does anyone have a cork?

BiggerJ
NEET: Not under Employment, Education or Training.

EvilHomer
I've known about NEETs for a lot longer than I've watched MLP, Mr Wildcat, and fear not! For NEETness is incompatible with the Pony Way. All of the ponies are hardworking and responsible, even Derpy, despite her crippling disabilities.

These wizard dorks need to buck up and focus on finding their cutie marks, instead of being rude and condescending towards normalfags.

EvilHomer
Scrots - What Bigger J said. They run the gamut from entitled trustafarians to outright hikikomori, and while the term can technically be applied to any chronically unemployed young person, it's increasingly coming to be used as a self-designator for people who are more than happy to never work or go to school; wizardchan is apparently a big hangout for these NEET lifestylists.

Spaceman Africa
Holy shit that Wizardchan link, those people are beyond pity.

memedumpster
So..., rich people are NEET?

Hailey2006
Maybe if these kids invited him to their parties, he wouldn't have done that he did!
The New Meat
"Is this the Santa Barbara guy who's famous on YouTube?" How ironic.

Also there is nothing more fitting in this universe than a Chico state girl dressed as a bottle of Keystone. CHICO STATE REPRESENT WOOOOOOOOO
The Mothership
yes, this had me rolling.

Gmork
We would throw keystones into the fire when we got bored because they are garbage piss water.

EvilHomer
In case you haven't seen it yet, here's a link to his manifesto:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/226068735/Manifesto-of-Elliot-Rodger

He was a consummate whiner and, perhaps unsurprisingly, he was addicted to WoW. Can't imagine why these ladies passed him over.
The New Meat
How could they have passed him over? He had 0 Gucci sunglasses! It's not logical!

Do you even know how much this magnificent supreme gentleman's sunglasses cost, you brute?

infinite zest
I tried my best to ignore the fact that I was at America's (usually) #2 Party College Town (Ann Arbor was number one last time I checked, which isn't often) and just thought to myself "well, I can be here, try to fit in with this group, or I can go over here and see if I like these people more.." in a lot of ways I appreciated it a lot more than if I had gone to Oberlin, where high school friends told me that everyone was exactly like me. I grew up right by Reed College in Portland so maybe that has something to do with my decision..

And it was a big college party town especially on Halloween. Watching this I can see myself, smoking a cigarette at work, kind of hating them, kind of envious, kind of happy that I have a bathroom to use at work and they don't.. kind of happy that when the tear gas went off that I smoked.

Looking back on it, I think they saw me as a Space Oddity in the same way as I saw them as Space Oddities as well. People from different planets. Sometimes they'd be stuck up, snooty, bro'ed out.. but really that wasn't too much different than my crowd: we'd be drunk, get in fights, fuck the same girls and get in more fights. We just dressed and talked and listened to music differently.

I don't have the time to read this whole thing, which is really unfortunate, because he NEEDED people the most when writing these things, just like I like to think that someone gets a little insight into some things I say, even if they go on a little long. With a little editing, Rodger's manifesto could make an interesting novel and not a cry for help; a book that could help others who have felt like the world's crashing down around them.

The New Meat
"With a little editing, Rodger's manifesto could make an interesting novel and not a cry for help; a book that could help others who have felt like the world's crashing down around them."

The manifesto is mostly him endlessly rehashing elementary school grudges, complaining that his parents are pushing him to complete college/get a job instead of providing him with a no-strings-attached "life of sex and pleasure," and then fantasizing about his perfect world where he is god emperor and all women are starved to death in concentration camps for denying him sex.

I don't think he's going to be this generation's Holden Caulfield.

memedumpster
So, it would be a series of novels targeted towards, well, nobody you'd want to, that would then go on to be a world famous TV series?

Game of No Bones.

BorrowedSolution
Can we stop acting like this kid was anything close to being a normal human? I know that 'normal' is a loaded word, and so is 'crazy', but this kid was pig-fucker crazy. Maybe if he'd lasted a few years until his brain had fully developed he may have clued into the fact that his thought processes were broken, but I doubt it.

pastorofmuppets
I've never before wanted to be a police officer, but just now I saw this video and realized that if I was a cop I could legally beat these people.

And I could taze them with my remote control for shutting assholes off, and I could take their weed, and I could give it to my friends, who have library cards and don't drink flavored vodka out of a hotel sink.
Jet Bin Fever
That's the spirit!

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