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Desc:This is really horrible what's happening!
Category:Horror, Military
Tags:Israel, torture, Palestine, solro, syria
Submitted:baleen
Date:08/03/14
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Old People - 2014-08-03
As a soldier, you come to understand that there are certain environments in which you save your last bullet for yourself. Syria appears to be one of those places.
Maru - 2014-08-03
"I think absolutely nothing intelligent will come of posting Israel-Palestine war porn on here, other than a kind of "Look at me! Look at how I I'm on the right side of things in my general cliched left-of-center bland tribal unit.""
baleen - 2014-08-03
Very good! I'm making a point.

SolRo - 2014-08-03
That you're a douche? Point made a long time ago.

Maru - 2014-08-03
making a point =\= having a nervous breakdown

Maru - 2014-08-03
and booo

baleen - 2014-08-03
I am certainly not having a nervous breakdown.

I am laughing at you.

poorwill - 2014-08-03
The point is that caring is stupid because if you care about one thing what if someone brings up something else that's bad too?????? because you aren't allowed to care about two things so in conclusion caring is stupid.

Maru - 2014-08-03
When you think about it, it's really the people who -don't- post torture porn to make a point on the internet that are the true hypocrites.

bopeton - 2014-08-03
Torturing your prisoners is a terrible strategic decision. It just makes people less likely to surrender, and more likely to fight to the last bullet.
Old People - 2014-08-03
Amen. See my comment above. Even if you're a morally vacant sonofabitch like these Syrian troops, you don't torture prisoners for the same reason that you leave an egress route when you ambush someone, or the way you try to clear a building from the top down whenever possible: you never want motherfuckers to feel like they have no way out and must fight to the death.
I put 28 rounds in a 30-round mag to avoid double-feeds, jams, and magazine spring degradation. If you're an insurgent and you box me in and I'm on my last mag, 27 of those rounds are coming your way, and the last one's going out the crown of my skull. I've never gone black on ammo, but things were bad enough once or twice that my molle started to feel awfully light and I found myself trying to count my rounds. It feels a bit like drowning.

SolRo - 2014-08-03
This video brings up an interesting contradiction from baleens diseased brain;

according to him, Hamas are only terrorists, cannot be negotiated with, only want to kill all Israelis, and will not stop until Israel is destroyed. So he seems to imply that killing every last member of Hamas is the only option (and anyone in a 2 block radius).

These guys were also terrorists...so isn't this exactly what you'd want baleen?
baleen - 2014-08-03
I don't imply any of that, little SolRo.

SolRo - 2014-08-03
So what's your 'final solution to the Palestinian question'?

baleen - 2014-08-03
The final solution is Edward Said's binational one-state solution, which is gaining popularity. How that actually comes to be is extremely complicated, and there are various forces at work to realize the model to their own ends.

As it is, two separate states seems unlikely for so, so many reasons.

Here's a start:

Do a land trade. There's areas around the Dead Sea that are almost entirely Palestinian but are in Israeli hands. Israeli settlements are penetrating into Palestinian land which is largely uninhabited by Palestinians.

Hamas must recognize the need for a Jewish homeland and that Israel has a right to exist. Israel must make reparations and assist with infrastructure projects in Palestine as well as address the 3rd class status of Palestinians in Israel starting with a constitutional amendment (they should actually start by writing a Constitution in general) that protects the rights of minorities.

These are just a few first steps.

Something I've been messing with for fun is how to provide fresh water using desal infrastructure to Jordan, Palestinian territories, and other areas as a means of rewarding peace agreements such as this. For the price we paid to go to war in Iraq we could have delivered continuous fresh water to everybody in Sinai, Jordan, Palestine, and much of Yemen. Water drives much of the animosity towards refugees across the Middle East. I think part of any union of Palestine and Israel will have to come attached to enormous amounts of international aid.

None of this is remotely possible as the secular aspects of Israel become ever more frail as they are surrounded by ever more terrifying spectacles (Yes, Syria and ISIS being in their front yard is kind of important to understand how Israelis are thinking right now). The current state of Israel and Palestine insures that a Palestine free state would be a fetid corrupt ghetto controlled by Islamists, and one-state solution would almost certainly entail an internationally funded massacre on all sides.

SolRo - 2014-08-03
I just don't see how anyone even remotely intelligent could think one of the richest and most militarized populations in the world getting access to land of one of the poorest doesn't end in a massive land grab and eviction of the poorer people. And that's if you ignore the horrid racism and religious entitlement Israel has going right now.

baleen - 2014-08-03
Well, that was a seed cast upon stone.

SolRo - 2014-08-03
maybe you're just being stupid? Or doing a shitty job of explaining it?

Are you trying to suggest a two-state one state solution?


How about you just explain why a pure two state solution is such a bad thing?

baleen - 2014-08-14
I don't have time to explain to you why 40 years of negotiations have failed.

The problems with the two-state solution should be evident to anybody that actually cares about this problem.

"Are you trying to suggest a two-state one state solution?"
The binational solution is an old one. You don't care about this issue. You're also an idiot. Google.

Scrotum H. Vainglorious - 2014-08-03
I visit LiveLeak often enough to see this kind of stuff but I thought we had an unwritten rule about stuff of this caliber. Yes, I can handle it fine but I'd rather leave that stuff over at the site formerly known as Ogrish.
baleen - 2014-08-03
Yes, I broke the rules. Sorry about that.

Lord_Crocodilicus - 2014-08-03
I can't be bothered to look at any of your 12 inch opinions. Not tonight.
Riskbreaker - 2014-08-04
You guys should had a pokemon duel or something, then move on.
Syd Midnight - 2014-08-06
Not gonna watch the video, but will mention that this was the ultimate fate of Something Awful goon "Caro". Caro's life, online and offline, took a long and meandering journey from amusing to hilarious to alarming to tragic.

He had a psychotic break, traveled to the middle east, wandered through various civil wars and disputed areas thinking he was on some secret mission, got arrested crossing the Syrian border, and was last seen by a reporter in one of these torture camps, begging for death. RIP you crazy ass goon.

http://libyavoices.blogspot.com/2012/01/kevin-dawes-part-one-a rrival.html

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/kevin-patrick-dawes/view
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