Binro the Heretic  - 2015-02-15
I think what bothers me most about things like this is the people who made it don't really believe it.
I'm sure a few of them are just desperate for a gig, any gig at all that will pay, but a lot of them are probably just utterly indifferent one way or the other.
And I'm sure there's at least a few of them who actually disagree with the message, but go ahead and do it anyway for a buck.
People who put out racist/homophobic/hateful propaganda are evil assholes, sure, but at least they believe what they're saying. Even the conspiracy nuts are passionate about the bullshit they spout.
This is just clock-punching villainy. I have a harder time wrapping my head around it.
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SolRo - 2015-02-15 You significantly underestimate the general ignorance of the populace
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SteamPoweredKleenex - 2015-02-16 The're a pretty organized group for "not believing" what they say:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Green/comments/1znm8i/who_or_what_is_t he_environmental_policy_alliance/
It's kind of interesting how they coincidentally made a group whose initials are EPA.
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Oscar Wildcat - 2015-02-15
Came for the "fossil fuels is your minority girlfriend", stayed for the "Bill McKibben is the antichrist".
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Hooker - 2015-02-15
God, "big green." I remember back when I was a doe-eyed college student and I would get into arguments with people about global warming, I started hearing a lot of people claiming it was all a bunch of bullshit orchestrated by "big weather." The concept of "big weather" was so astoundingly stupid and they were so astoundingly serious that it was a profound losing-my-innocence moment and I'm just now far less capable of talking to people on a lot of subjects like they're adults that can carry on a mature discussion.
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John Holmes Motherfucker - 2015-02-16 >> Cheesy but it's a valid point. Most people over 30 would be dead without a scalable energy source.
Which is why we need to be looking toward scalale energy that is sustainable. This is a strawman argument, because it addresses arguments that no one is making.
This ISN'T a valid point, because practically no one is advocating we all give up give fossil fuels cold turkey and bicycle to work.
The more pain we absorb now, the less traumatic it's all going to be down the line. What if we, as a society, made a collective decision to invest all
the money we currently spend jailing people for non-violent drug offenses on researching cleaner energy? Well, that's not going to happen , because certain rich people would lose money, and certain poor and middle class people would face economic upheaval.
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Aress - 2015-02-15
Cheesy but it's a valid point. Most people over 30 would be dead without a scalable energy source.
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fluffy - 2015-02-15 We use way more energy than we need to for survival or even pretty decent comfort, though.
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SolRo - 2015-02-15 I think he means they'd kill themselves if they lost their full size SUV and 60" flat screen.
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Oscar Wildcat - 2015-02-16 So a finite energy resource, which represents millions of years of sequestration of a gas that in sufficient quantities in the atmosphere render the earth uninhabitable ( see Venus ), is scalable?
Clearly we have different ways of seeing things.
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SteamPoweredKleenex - 2015-02-16 @Oscar: Speaking of planets, on another site, an avowed right-wing denier was trying to claim that Mars is getting warmer (no citation) and there aren't any SUVs there, so obviously pollution causing climate change is all lies.
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gravelstudios - 2015-02-16
Just because those things are currently powered by fossil fuels doesn't mean they have to be powered by fossil fuels. "I like driving my car and watching TV, therefore we should stop all research and development of renewables."
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