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Corpus Delectable - 2015-04-06

Or: How To Poison A Well In Under 3 Minutes

The Mothership - 2015-04-06


badideasinaction - 2015-04-06

I'm amazed it didn't bring up the talking point of the Small Business Owner(tm)

The Mothership - 2015-04-06

I was waiting for JOB KILLING TAXES but it never came.

Maggot Brain - 2015-04-06

Eww~ The longer it went on the more repugnant it became. "Yeah, women do make less money than men on the whole but it's only because they didn't keep their legs closed."

TeenerTot - 2015-04-07

I turned it off after 40 seconds.

MurgatroidMendelbaum - 2015-04-07

Here, I paraphrased the highlights for anyone else who can't stand to sit through it.

"Women make nearly the same as men: 94%"

"Younger, college-educated women in urban areas actually out-earn their male counterparts."

"While the intentions may be good, these laws (...) make it more costly to hire female workers."

Time to jump on that gravy-train, LADIES.

Nominal - 2015-04-06

Yeah pretty much. Unless there's some kind of automatic raise in writing as part of the job, employers will happily never give you one if you don't speak up.

The most extreme case I encountered was a (male) programmer friend. A bit socially awkward, totally non-confrontational, content with his job because it was one of those wacky crazy startups with a ball pit in the office that attracted tons of arrested development CS majors. He was being criminally underpaid at k-ish but it was fine because BALL PIT.

Finally another friend got him a job at another company that would pay k-ish. When he gave his two weeks notice the wacky crazy Google-wannabe offered him a raise to k-ish. The immediacy at which they did that showed how well aware they were of his market value and were fine exploiting him.

Basically, start looking around the instant you start feeling you're being fucked for raises.

Nominal - 2015-04-06

Actually, the most extreme case might have been that infamous Penny Arcade job posting where they basically wanted a unicorn developer for k.

simon666 - 2015-04-06

Here's an anecdote from the tech industry. I recently met a woman, friend of a friend, who was--literally--one of the first mobile developers in the early 2000s, working at Yahoo. This is a quick recap of her story.

She was working on a big project for Yahoo for a number of years. Completed it, did a fine job, and came to hate working there. When she told her boss she wanted to quit the boss basically asked her to name her price to stay. Not caring and not wanting the job, she asked for a 50% raise, thinking it would price her out and she could leave. The boss agreed to a 35% raise--she was already making good money, so this was significant. She couldn't believe she got a 35% raise, which she also considered ridiculous.

Her take away was this: She said that for years she had hear about her male friends and counterparts just demanding more money and being assertive and she never bought that story or thought it was something she could do. When she got the 35% raise, she realized that as a woman she hadn't been assertive enough when negotiating pay previously.

My take from this anecdote: woman being more assertive will probably help in a number of cases to level the pay gap. Also, the world will probably be better off if women were more assertive (assuming they are not being as assertive as they could be). We're likely missing a lot of good ideas and voices. (And yes, men can listen better and be aware of domineering behavior.)

Nominal - 2015-04-06

Not that I've ever been the position where I'm that in demand, but I'm not what I'd do in that situation. On one hand, huge raise. On the other hand, huge insult where they're basically admitting they were exploiting you.

I'd probably end up chalking it up as a lesson learned and go somewhere else where I was paid market value from the get go, get a fresh start.

Hodge - 2015-04-06

I figure I will kick the hornet's nest and offer my unwanted opinion here.

I hate how this video is dismissive of the actual issue and flat out states it isn't as bad as people think, but I actually agree with it in stating that more legislation isn't going to make things better.

It's always bothered me that the right likes to dismiss any social issue, and the left always asks for more federal power and poorly thought out laws.

A big problem with the wage gap is a lot of young women are actively discouraged into pursuing an education and background that would make them more competitive and a lot of these higher ups that hire these young people have an extremely antiquated view on women.

Nominal - 2015-04-06

A big "Huh?" on your last two paragraphs.

Paragraph 3 is disapproving of something like the Civil Rights Act. Is that a quote from Trey Parker and Matt Stone?

Paragraph 4: it's been a while since I've been to college, but what high paying fields are women "actively discouraged" from pursuing? In fact there's a shitload of initiatives these days to steer women into STEM and business areas. What fields does this chauvinist scientist cabal you speak of exist? I'm going to take a wild guess that women are a lot more likely to run into boorish superiors in blue collar jobs than research and engineering.

Hodge - 2015-04-06

Why would you even quickly jump to that conclusion on Paragraph 3?

Paragraph 4, its true you do have college Advisers that do just that, but you also have a bunch that steer them into horrible college degrees.

Hooker - 2015-04-06

*cheery, soulless voice*

You've probably heard that black and latino people are incarcerated at a higher rate than their white counterparts. But, wait! It turns out that blacks and latinos are actually convicted at higher rates as well! In fact, studies have shown that whites are incarcerated at rates comparable to blacks and latinos when convicted of crimes. BLACKS AND LATINOS SHOULDN'T DRESS THAT WAY IF THEY DON'T WANT TO GET RAPED!

TeenerTot - 2015-04-07

Five for you.

chumbucket - 2015-04-07

There's clearly a "pro-choice" message in this.

fluffy - 2015-04-06

"Of course women get paid less, it's because they get lower-paying jobs, because they're discouraged from going into engineering from a very young age and the few who do finally enter the workforce get very upset for being treated like a token female or everyone assuming she's the secretary."

Sudan no1 - 2015-04-06

The boring kind of right-wing think tank evil, imo.

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