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Hugo Gorilla - 2015-07-28

Captain Janeway had all the charm of a peeved vice principal during the early seasons and the fact they gave her the hairdo of a 19th century schoolmarm didn't help her charisma. And if that doesn't so uptight enough, her holodeck programs, what she did with her leisure time, were about being a governess to snotty English kids. She did eventually loosen up and started banging a Irish hologram.

Bort - 2015-07-29

They had the opportunity to be daring with "Voyager", but chose not to. A crew that is half Starfleet / half rebel, in a part of the universe where there is no Federation and in fact very little law and order? I would have enjoyed a show about trying to develop an ethos that is practicable under those conditions, with a very real possibility of change from week to week.

Instead, by the end of the pilot episode, everyone was in Starfleet uniforms, deferring to Janeway's unreasonable expectations of conduct, and wasting the potential of the series.

It's not even like the writers didn't have a little experience with a conflicted senior staff; for the first season or two of DS9, the Bajorans on the station didn't really trust the Federation, and it nearly meant overthrowing the Federation presence on at least one occasion. So do something like that but improve upon it, so that, instead of Federation always being right, once in a while it's Janeway who has to bend.

memedumpster - 2015-07-29

Yeah, it was Ryan's Hope all over again.

chumbucket - 2015-07-29

I think the show should have been darker and would have worked well as one big flashback from a pilot episode that discovers the lost crew on the verge of cannibalism and violent upheaval.

Xenocide - 2015-07-29

Deep Space Nine was able to have actual conflict because it wasn't a network show. But the network had its hooks so deep in Voyager that it choked out any creative potential the show had. Ron Moore, who spent a decade writing for TNG and DS9, moved over to Voyager when the latter show concluded. He quit the show after only a few weeks; apparently the culture on the Voyager set was downright gloomy and hostile toward anyone who wanted to do more than phone it in.

Rodents of Unusual Size - 2015-07-30

I would really like to know exactly what the network execs did to interfere, and the protocols they gave. I really want to know what the writers wanted to do with the show originally, because it had such a great premise and no conflict worth remembering whatsoever.

Ugh - 2015-07-29

*drops soup pot* mesa sorry janeway wooooop - nee nee lix

Binro the Heretic - 2015-07-29

This show was a waste of good talent.

Xenocide - 2015-07-29

"Hi, I'm Robert Picardo. I play the only good character on this show. Join me as we talk to the actors who will take valuable screentime away from me. Look, here's the tool who plays Neelix. He has to get up at 3 AM every day for his 5 hours of makeup. We could actually apply it in 20 minutes, but we hate him."

chumbucket - 2015-07-29

Ethan Phillips did not look real thrilled about the camera following him around.

Kabbage - 2015-07-29

Yeah Ronald D. Moore lasted about 3 episodes before they got rid of him. He wanted to make Voyager into what would eventually be Battlestar Galactica, where they had to find supplies and kept persistent damage and refill their ranks with aliens. In some wacky alternate universe there is a really goddamn good Star Trek series called Voyager.

Binro the Heretic - 2015-07-29

That's what I had hoped it would be.

I stopped watching after the episode where Paris & Janeway get turned into newts.

Kabbage - 2015-07-29

Can you imagine how rad that show would've been if they were flying around with like a busted warp nacelle and born tech grafted to the hull, trying to gauge how low they're going to set their Starfleet standards to get more redshirts on-board

Rodents of Unusual Size - 2015-07-30

The most loved episode of Voyager by the fanbase is generally the "Year of Hell Part 1 and 2" two parter, which in a nutshell is just that, but they fucked it up by erasing it from history. It basically shows Voyager just descending further and further from cookie cutter boredom into desperation.

Another good episode idea was "Equinox" which details roughly the same plot idea as Pegasus was to Battlestar, but with none of the emotional impact. Equinox is another ship lost in the quadrant and it has basically gone against Starfleet code and enslaved a bunch of alien animals for their energy source, and their crew is more barbaric. The best scene involves their EMH played by Picardo explaining his morality program was taken out so he can conduct unethical medical experiments.

If they had extended these ideas over an entire season or two it could have been watchable. But most of the time we just got shitty holodeck episodes and Neelix being annoying.

Kabbage - 2015-07-30

Was thinking the same thing about Year of Hell. Easily the most enjoyable two-parter to come out of Voyager.

fluffy - 2015-07-29

"She has seen more action than a tribble in heat."

Wasn't the whole premise to tribbles that they reproduce asexually?

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