I used to have a roommate years ago who had both vocal fry AND a high pitched, chipmunk voice and I guess she was OK but it actually made you skin crawl to hear her voice. Also she had kind of a bad personality.
I think it's kind of sexist how this whole thing has become this conversation of how "women should stop talking this way" when male vocal fry is just as insanely prevalent as well. It takes a different form, but it is definitely there and you hear it everywhere. Difficult to describe but it's kind of like dudes trying desperately to sound like Nick Swardson.
Withholding stars until I hear from our resident expert on women's issues, JHM.
None of whom know as much about women's issues as you do, Mr Holmes.
John Holmes Motherfucker
If i wasn't a committed feminist, I'd want to beat up the bitch in the video. Who is this terrible woman?
Oh, phew, that makes me feel a bit better! I did not want to beat up this woman, but my initial reaction to her was markedly negative. It sounded to me like she was just being petty and vindictive, but I was worried that might be the wrong reaction - you know, from a feminist perspective.
I'm still not sure how I should rate this video, however.
Isn't finding it sexy just the flip side of finding it annoying? Stop having preferences about the way women speak!! (objectifying speech?!)
John Holmes Motherfucker
>>Isn't finding it sexy just the flip side of finding it annoying? Stop having preferences about the way women speak!! (objectifying speech?!)
First, I wasn't really serious, that was a response to Homer making fun of me. I do find it kind of engaging, though a clear musical tone is also nice. I don't really have a preference.
Second, it's not about preferences. I can have preferences if i want, just as long as I don't impose them on others. Even if I'm annoyed at the way women talk, it's not their problem., unless I start writing crank letters to NPR about certain reporters, or making crank vlogs about how women need to talk better, instead of just fucking dealing with it.
|Mister Yuck |
The whole vocal fry thing has a hell of a lot more to do with finding pseudo -scientific reasons to criticize young women's speech than it does anything else. No one bugs me about talking low and growly when I get tired, or claims I'm gonna damage my voice by doing it, or looked up a specialist term to give a veneer of intellectualism to their irrational hate.
Here, Fresh Air had a good discussion about it:
The vocal tic that annoys me is everything about Terry Gross, but her guests are real good.
"People are busy policing women's language and nobody is policing older or younger men's language," Eckert tells Gross.
Yeah, tell that to everybody making fun of my nasal, autistic, lispy Jewish whine.
"No one bugs me about talking low and growly when I get tired"
You're a nobody so nobody cares
You guys are a bunch of diaper-shitters
Make fun of everyone who sucks
John Holmes Motherfucker
Hypothesis: Men and women both do it equally, but it's perceived as annoying in women because it's not "feminine".
When a man speaks in vocal fry, Christopher Nolan jumps out of the bushes, casts him as Batman and pays him million a picture.
I had no idea until this was posted that this was even an "issue."
policing women's speech
Before you get your bull-dyke panties armed with a strap-on in a bunch, it was none other than Naomi Wolf who used this video to asked feminists to use their real, strong voice and not vocal fry.
Naomi Wolf is a Tea Party apologist but she wrote a book 20 years ago so I guess we have to agree with everything she says.
Who's afraid of Naomi Wolf? Xenocide, apparently.
>> I think it especially weird to notice someone's vocal fry when SHE'S GOT BLUE HAIR!
Katy Perry has hair? I did not notice that until you pointed it out.
Because I was staring at her breasts, you see.
Sorry you had to find out this way:
Come for Naomi calling the president Hitler, stay for the video of her at a Teabaggers for Ron Paul rally.
I actually do think she's done some good work elsewhere, though. Mostly I was making fun of Enjoy for thinking that he could win an argument by namedropping the first person his google search for "feminist vocal fry" came up with. I thought this stuff about her was common knowledge by now.
"The National Socialists rounded people up and held them without trial, signed legislation that gave torture impunity, and spied on their citizens, just as Obama has. It isn’t a question of what has been done that Hitler did. It’s what does every dictator do, on the left or the right, that is being done here and now. The real fight isn’t left or right but between forces of democracy across the spectrum and the forces of tyranny."
Sounds about right to me! What exactly do you find objectionable about that, Xenocide?
A good rule of thumb is: if Naomi Wolf is pissing off writers at the New Republic, she's doing something right.
Can we stop picking on women for five minutes, mass media?
“YOUNG WOMEN need to stop speaking with vocal fry, uptalk, ketchup chatter, dry whispers, condolences, the word ‘egg’"
One should not be judged by the timbre of one's voice, but by the timber of one's mind.
Boy, people are getting mad over this. 5 stars
I am FURIOUS over these five stars. THROWING stars!
|John Holmes Motherfucker |
There are some people who just can't stand this, and I'd love to see a study of them to evaluate their attitudes toward women. They may be misogynists, or maybe they just have ears like a dog. When people make a big deal about it, they sure SOUND like assholes.
"Vocal fry makes women seem more educated and upwardly mobile. So they should STOP DOING IT."
Sanest Man Alive
yeah what the hell
That claim sounds like strawman bullshit anyway, but let's not even knock it down with equally bullshit claims and statistics. Just tell women "cut that shit out" and they'll wise up!
What a mountainous molehill we have in this.
|That guy |
^ for Enjoy, who knew why to put this video here.
As for the rest of you, you're a bunch of dumbfucks. I'm seriously disappointed/amused.
"IF oppressed in any way ever
THEN beyond critique as obnoxious in any way ever"
It's a feel, Polonius. I know not 'seems'.
It looks like Lena Headey's face in every frame of Game of Thrones.
IF hypersensitive enough to spend so much time whining about the sound of other people's voices like they're actually a problem
THEN you are automatically more obnoxious than any of the people you're bitching about
The examples shown in the video are annoying. Making it into a big thing and giving it a dumb name is annoying. The outrage backlash against THAT is also annoying. This is the most thought I plan on giving this ever.
John Holmes Motherfucker
Tis unmanly grief. It shows a will most incorrect to heaven, an understanding simple and unschooled. I beg of you throw off this unprevailing woe, and stop being such a goddamn tool.
Ok ^ *****
I'll give ghost stars for that, JHMonius.
As for Xenocide, you're just fat.
|Spaceman Africa |
hey this is pretty dumb so stars for that
See what you did, Homer?
Oh cool, I always wondered what happened to her after DS9!
lol "oh no let's not make fun of women who aspire to sound like dooley from king of the hill"
|Binro the Heretic |
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