God damn. So would.

"My passions are French New Wave and comedy." From her website.

I would if I could tear out her vocal chords and reverse cowgirl so I didn't have to see her face, but she's got that suburban mom look that I hate, and lost me completely at "Starbucks."

IZ, you'd be skirting the hate fuck. You have to stare into the abyss. Take her to Starbucks for scones. Talk politics and philosophy for two hours and watch Planet Earth. Let her put on her favorite Pandora station and bare down Missionary.

Bill Cosby wouldn't have to listen to her talk...

I sincerely regret everything I've said here tonight.

Hehe yeah I'd never forcibly remove vocal chords, but maybe figure out a mod to replace her voice with clips from Duke Nukem 3D..

I would if she wasn't hideous, stupid, charmless and annoying.

Oh wait, I guess that means I wouldn't. Go figure.

IZ - "Ryona Fatalities on Nicole Arbour, MK2 Costume"?

Thanks to Sasha Grey being "into French New Wave" is shorthand for "I'll suck your dick for ,000 and a percentage of the net profits."

"The 400 Blowjobs"

hehe

I'm gonna go get the papers.

Get the papers.

That was why we called him Jimmy Two Times.

http://i.imgur.com/1NhlTaa.jpg

Maybe smoking is the answer for overweight people? I can get through a day with one square meal and a pack of cigarettes. I'm built like an extension cord.

People would certainly think you looked healthier than a fat person, even if most of your weight was tumors.

Exactly this.

Didn't Maria Bamford do this, except not super shitty?

Yeah, I don't think this needed to be six minutes. I don't know if she's going for a bit or for an opinion piece and the confusion comes from the lack of ability to discern between the two. The "comedy" bits are just kind of cliche.

She's like young Ann Coulter trying to do impressions only she doesn't know anything about politics.

Maria Bamford. I hadn't considered her, but yeah. Also, Jenna Marbles. Exhibit A) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duio2ZaVr1g

Yeah jenna marbles came to mind first. Pretty much the exact same act

It hasn't stopped Sarah Silverman.

But some blacks and hispanics are fat! LOOPHOLE!

I had no idea proper diet and exercise could make a person white.

Some people just need a group to look down on.

If there were no fat people, she might choose to look down on people who wear hats or people who like folk music.

The flaw is in her, not others.

Maybe she should look down on bronies, furries, and people who wear fedoras.

It would still be the same thing. She's just looking for a group she can be shitty to and not get in trouble for it.

Are you seriously comparing making fun of bad unhealthy and distasteful habits to being racist?

No, I'm saying this woman needs a group of people to look down on. Society would tear her a new asshole if she chose to attack Blacks, Hispanics, LGBT people or most any other ethnic or social group.

Because fat people are looked down on by a lot of people, she can get away with making hateful insulting jokes at their expense, so that's what she does.

Quick counter question: have you ever known an an addict of any kind inc. food, drugs or alcohol who wasn't nearly universaly applauded for beating their addiction and getting healthy?

It's 2am so i get a mulligan

"Are you seriously comparing making fun of bad unhealthy and distasteful habits to being racist?"

No we were comparing being fatphobic to being racist.

Everybody else stopped at "ogle." Way to "go."

Bah-dum-dum

I would agree, except it's gone beyond, "Ha! You're so fucking gross and fat, fatty!" to serious hardcore hatred. I'm talking an, "All fat people should be rounded up and executed." level of hatred.

Free speech is free speech, but any group that becomes the target of such callous hatred should have the right to say such speech is wrong.

>> I'm talking an, "All fat people should be rounded up and executed." level of hatred.

Well... shouldn't they?

Fat people aren't just hurting themselves by making unhealthy lifestyle choices. If we lived in a liberal society and fat people were allowed to fend for themselves, then OK, no problem, live and let live. But that's not the way it works! Now, fat people's healthcare costs are born by society, disproportionately taking healthcare resources away from people suffering with legitimate, non-voluntary healthcare issues. Fat people are a massive liability to collective welfare; they are, quite literally, inflicting harm on everyone! You don't have to "hate" them to see that they are a social problem.

Now personally I don't think fat people should be executed - that's going a bit too far. But maybe we could round them up and put them in special work camps, where their diets and physical activities can be monitored and properly regulated by a wise and benevolent bureaucracy? We could re-educated fat people as to their duties and obligations to the state and the community which it represents; "de-program" them from their lifetime of gluttony-enabling corporate/capitalist brainwashing.

Hell, we did that kind of thing in the Army, and it worked out fine. Fatties just need a time-out at FTU.

You're mad Reddit shut down your thread, aren't you?

I'm not buying the "Fat people deserve to be executed/ridiculed or have less rights because they are a drain on society" argument. I think it's bullshit.

Do you know how much I've paid in to social security? The fact is that fat people pay the same amount of SS on the money they earn as skinny people, but they don't live nearly as long. If they even survive long enough to start collecting, they won't be collecting for 20 or 30 years like a fit person might.

That's a lot of scratch.

So what's your excuse now? Fat people don't work? Bullshit. Maybe some don't. Some skinny people don't work either. That's a generalization and it's wrong to judge people that way.

But nobody gives a fuck about that. Hell, I agree with just about everything this lady is saying. Fat people should eat less and get more exercise. Fat people should have respect for their own bodies. I don't get why so many people have to be such assholes about it. Do people think that shaming others is an effective way to get them to change their behavior? It isn't. Stop pretending that you're trying to help people by talking down to them. People like this think they have it figured out but they have no idea about the physical and mental struggle of losing a lot of weight, especially if you grew up in a fat household and have been fat your entire life.

But don't take my word for it. You can spend 30 seconds on google and find studies showing that less than 0.5% of people who attempt to lose weight are successful at it after 3 years. Why is that? Maybe there is more to it than you think.

Anyway, if you were wondering the answer to my question about how much I pay in social security, the answer is that I've paid so much goddamn social security in the last 20 years that I could buy you and me both heart surgery and insulin shots for the next 20 years and still be losing out when I'm 65. So go fuck yourself.

>> The fact is that fat people pay the same amount of SS on the money they earn as skinny people, but they don't live nearly as long.

They don't live nearly as long because they have tons of health problems, and until very recently, they were simply left to die. According to the CDC and American Heart Association, obesity costs the American collective upwards of about 0 billion a year; that figure is expected to rise to trillion within the next fifteen years. Are YOU going to pay trillion in SS, while you're hooked up to a heart-machine and being drip-fed insulin? I very much doubt it, sir.


>> You can spend 30 seconds on google and find studies showing that less than 0.5% of people who attempt to lose weight are successful at it after 3 years. Why is that?


Because they're lazy, and because they don't have the help and support that publicly funded de-fattening camps would provide them.

*nods* （＾～＾:）

Quick question: Since substance abuse and addiction is a "voluntary" behavior, should we treat drug addicts & alcoholics with the same loathing & disdain as we do fat people?

Fezren: Here's why fatty Auschwitz is a bad idea and you're an idiot

Homer: *anime emoticon*

Quick counter question: have you ever known an an addict of any kind inc. food, drugs or alcohol who wasn't nearly universaly applauded for beating their addiction and getting healthy?

>> Since substance abuse and addiction is a "voluntary" behavior, should we treat drug addicts & alcoholics with the same loathing & disdain as we do fat people?


I'm glad you drew the connection to drug addicts, Mr Binro! Because you know what we do with drug addicts, right? There are two main schools of thought about how society should treat drug addicts: one maintains that drug addicts should be segregated away from society into prisons, where they can "cool off" and "pay their debt to society", the other maintains that drug addicts should be segregated away from society into rehab facilities, where they can be "treated", for their own good, whether they want to be or not. --- Both schools of thought agree that drug addicts are a social problem, and as such, the community has a right to segregate them into camps, forcibly and involuntarily if need be, wherein their socially undesirable behavior can be corrected. --- Precisely the sort of action that I am proposing here!


So you answer me this: given that obvious parallels exist between drug addiction and obesity, then why should fat people get special treatment? Forgive me for throwing your question back at you, but why SHOULDN'T we treat fat people with the same loathing & disdain as we do drug addicts & alcoholics?

And people who lose a lot of weight are applauded and praised for their efforts. That doesn't answer my question, though.

Do you think our culture treats people who overeat to deal with emotional problems better or worse than it treats drug addicts & alcoholics?

My last post was directed at M-Deem. This one is for EvilHomer:

Many poor and/or non-white drug addicts do still get treated pretty harshly, yes. But is it right that we do so? I mean, after all, it's been super-effective in wiping out drug abuse, hasn't it? Oh, wait...

Over the past few decades, attitudes towards addicts have changed. More and more people are pushing to reduce if not eliminate harsh sentences for non-violent drug offenders. We're also starting to realize you can't forcibly cure addiction. It's like the old joke; How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb? Only one, but it take a long time and the light bulb has to WANT to change. You can lock someone up, deprive them of the substance they're addicted to and dry them out but you have to let them go sometime.

So this is where your idea of forced fat camps really falls apart. What's really insulting is you're advocating them for the same reason many people still advocate locking up addicts. You don't really care about the people you're talking about. They're just a visible target for your own insecurities. The imperfections you're trying to eliminate are in yourself, not others.

In short, your "treat-flawed-people-like-garbage-and-they-will-be-motivated-to-be -less-flawed" strategy has been proven wrong time and time again. And your advocacy of such a policy betrays a heartlessness and lack of humanity on your part.

Another thing to consider: It's hard enough for drug addicts to stay clean and they do get pressured by some people (former dealers & fellow addicts) to fall back off the wagon. But it is possible to get away from and avoid those people. Imagine how hard it would be to avoid falling back into addiction if every form of media were saturated with advertisements showing happy fulfilled people smoking crack or shooting heroin? What if stores offered low prices on cheap crack and heroin that's even more addictive and worse for your body than regular crack and heroin.

Try asking an alcoholic what it's like trying to stay sober in the face of advertisements showing people drinking and having a good time with their friends. Ask a smoker how easy it was to give up cigarettes with print ads showing laughing happy people with cigarettes in their hands.

"You don't really care about the people you're talking about. They're just a visible target for your own insecurities. The imperfections you're trying to eliminate are in yourself, not others."

ding ding ding, we have a winner

if it wasn't fat people, you'd find the next group down the totem pole to blame for all of society's ills

everybody wants somebody to piss on

I dont know what the fat experience is like so I'll try to leave it alone after this post. I think EH pretty well explained the attitude toward addicts. I know quite a few and it's pretty accurate. Most people would be pissed if a drug halfway house opened up right next to them. A fat-halfway house? Probably much less.

I think advirtising has very little to do with relapse.

We're talking about two different things here, Mr Binro. You're very insistent upon this idea of adopting a kinder, gentler attitude towards corrective action against fat people, and that's OK - it does not contradict *my* proposal in any way.

You strike me as the sort of person who, in my previous post above, would prefer the latter approach to dealing with druggies: that is to say, segregate them into rehab facilities, forcing them into treatment so they can get better. -- This is a policy of segregation. This is a policy of coercive correction. -- You pose all these questions: ask an alcoholic how he stays sober, ask a smoker how easy it was to quit. And I have given you the answer: yes, fat people are analogous to drug addicts and alcoholics. Yes, it's difficult, if not impossible, for them to quit on their own. And YES, society already has a method for fixing their problems:

It's called camps.

You seem to think of forced labour camps as being analogous to prisons, and they could be, sure, if you wanted them to be. But they could also be nice, clean places, with sparkly walls and soothing gardens and group therapy, three hours a day, under the watchful observation of kindly orderlies! There's nothing mean about *that*, surely? You don't have to treat fatties "like-garbage", not if you don't want to.





If you still can't accept that, then my next question would be: what is your alternative? You are obviously aware that fat people can't help themselves. Your sixth and seventh paragraphs clearly show that addicts (whether heroin, booze, or food) are incapable of functioning in free society without relapsing, hard. Do you just want society to forget about them? Ignore them and let them die?

Perhaps we could take more pro-active measures: for example, ban all food advertisements, and place strict controls on what foods people can eat, when, and in how much quantity. Perhaps we could do away with money and food shops entirely, replacing them with ration cards and government-operated grain depots. Maybe we could even regulate cooking itself, making the private possession of food-paraphernalia (such as stoves and blenders) a felony level crime, and requiring that all citizens attend CCTV-monitored communal cafeterias at regularly scheduled intervals during the day. ~ I don't know. I'm just throwing these ideas out there, because frankly, I think the most reasonable, least complicated course of action, would be to just stick fat people in a nice happy camp and call it a day.

Again, if camps are unacceptable to you, then what is your alternative?

Note - in regards to my alternative proposal of food prohibition; obviously, in forty or fifty years time, we could relax our controls on food-substance-abuse a little, and make exceptions to the law for people who need to eat certain foods for medical reasons - healthy, socially acceptable foods, like Sriracha, kale chips, or kimchi! Legalized recreational eating of these foods might follow... one day.

..Fat people aren't just hurting themselves by making unhealthy lifestyle choices. If we lived in a liberal society and fat people were allowed to fend for themselves, then OK, no problem, live and let live. But that's not the way it works! Now, fat people's healthcare costs are born by society, disproportionately taking healthcare resources away from people suffering with legitimate, non-voluntary healthcare issues. Fat people are a massive liability to collective welfare; they are, quite literally, inflicting harm on everyone! You don't have to "hate" them to see that they are a social problem.

Substitute "smokers" for "fat people."

EH, I know sometimes you just post to hear yourself talk, but really.

EvilHomer,

I've already told you why the forced labor camp idea is a bad idea, just as incarcerating addicts for being addicts is a bad idea. You're basically just "drying them out" for a while. At some point, you're going to have to let them go. And if you haven't addressed the psychological issues at the root of their addiction, they're going to relapse as soon as you let them go. And you can't help the psychological problems if the subject is unwilling to let you.

It doesn't matter how nice the facility is or how many group therapy and individual counselling sessions it has. If the addict is resistant to the help it's not the sort of thing that can be forced on them. They'll say what they think you want to hear if it leads to getting out.

You seem to think incarceration is a "cheaper" alternative to other methods of confronting the problem, but have you seen how much taxpayers spend annually to keep hundreds of thousands of drug users in prison every year? We have nearly half a million people imprisoned for drug use. Multiply that by about thirty grand a year per prisoner.

A few communities have decided to stop putting users in prison. Instead, they pay to send them to rehab without imprisonment. It shaves about twenty thousand off the cost per person and has lower rates of recidivism. Even better, they can still go to their jobs and be with their families while they do this. Again, you can't really force someone to change, but they're more likely to want to change if they're not forcibly locked up and segregated from society.

As for what we can do as a culture, yes, we do need to cut down advertising of junk foods. Our food production and delivery system is also broken. The poor have to survive on high-calorie, low-nutrition foods, many of which are government subsidized. Even if the government doesn't outright subsidize them, regulations make the bad food much cheaper and easier to get than the healthier stuff.

We could also work to make life in general less stressful for the average citizen. Overeating is most commonly a symptom of stress and depression. Jobs are in short supply and most people are only a paycheck away from falling into poverty. For those already in poverty, a sugar rush or fat-soaked meal is a quick legal high.

Why not tax junk food and use that money to offset the burden on taxpayers caused by health problems resulting from eating too much junk food? And use some of it to fund voluntary counselling & support programs, not just for the people who are already overeating, but for the stressed and depressed people in danger of starting down that path?

As I said, a "round-them-up-and-throw-them-in-jail" attitude reflects a lack of compassion, understanding and a deep-rooted self-loathing.

EvilHomer you lost about all respect you currently had from me. Way to be a shitty human.

>> I've already told you why the forced labor camp idea is a bad idea, just as incarcerating addicts for being addicts is a bad idea. You're basically just "drying them out" for a while.


No you haven't, and no I'm not. You've been arguing against an arbitrary strawman - you've got this idea in your head of forced-labour fat camps as being some kind of creepy, authoritarian prison-analogue. While that is ONE option, it's certainly not the only option, as I have repeatedly maintained.

>>> A few communities have decided to stop putting users in prison. Instead, they pay to send them to rehab without imprisonment.

!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes! Exactly! This is what I've been saying all along, Mr Binro! Go back and read what I've written; right from the start, I made it clear that progressive society has two modes of approaching the drug addiction problem - enforced segregation via prison, and enforced segregation via rehab. You quite plainly favour enforced segregation via rehab. That's fine; enforced segregation camps for fat people can be structured like "rehabs". No argument from me there.

Psychological issues? You cure that through counseling. You offer them this counseling - let's call it "rehabilitative re-education" - at the labour camp. Relapse prevention? Counsel them REALLY hard; then, when (if?) they get out, give them a "parole" period, during which their continued freedom is contingent upon pursuing certain goals, such as continued fitness-therapy, and weekly monitoring by a government parole agent - let's call him a "dietitianary trainer".


It sounds, Mr Binro, like you agree with me already. You're receptive to the idea of enforced segregation via rehab, and the only arguments you've raised thus far are against treatmentless "prisons" (which are not what these re-education camps will be) and against fat-shaming, which my position is agnostic towards. Additionally, I like your idea of taxing unhealthy foods. After all, what else is taxation but a punishment and a corrective tool to be used against people you don't like, such as the very poor, the very wealthy, and the very fat? We could raise taxes on all sorts of foods that poor people like, preferably foods made by companies not properly corporatized by paying kickbacks to Congress and the FDA; these taxes could then be used to fund our forced labour fat-camps, thereby closing the circle and ensuring that fat people, not skinnies, shoulder the economic burden of their treatment.



Gmork - I am very sorry to hear that, but it is your addiction talking, and I'm sure you will change your mind after a sixteen-months inpatient stay.

">> I'm talking an, "All fat people should be rounded up and executed." level of hatred.

Well... shouldn't they?"

Replace "fat people" with "fractions over 1/2" and ask yourself whether you can still get behind it.

Here's the thing, coming from a long-time fatass who fights against it, does well in some periods and then backslides in others: there isn't a fatty alive who doesn't know it's bad for them, makes them less appealing, and is uncomfortable / painful. If some people succumb to it and others do not, the most likely explanation is that it is genuinely harder for some folks to cope with than others. I don't know what specific factors make it harder for some than others -- most likely it is some combination of biological and psychological components -- but there are no easy fixes, or someone would be a trillionaire selling them. All the actual fixes are hard enough that your body interprets them as a threat to survival: reduced caloric intake, increased exercise, and sticking with it forever.

Take your pokes at me for being a fatty if you must, but bear in mind I'm already dealing with it, and I'm not going to see you as a champion of good health, just an asshole.

Quickly scrolling through a mountain of text the first line I read was: "it's called camps."

5 stars on me, you wacky goofballs.

"Dear fat people, it's like you paid someone to cut you open and stuff a bunch of garbage into you and then sew you shut."

People who get elective plastic surgery to make minor alterations or eliminate normal signs of aging suffer from personal issues. They deserve sympathy, not hate.

But fat people, they deserve hate, right binro?

According to EvilHomer, anyway.

shut the fuck up Binro

You first.