...except Joss Whedon fans. They're perfectly reasonable.

Firefly fans are the worst. They obsess over a show that didn't even finish it's first season and ended like 15 years ago. Whenever I bring this up to them they make a million excuses for the show, blaming the network, while the true reason it failed is cause it sucked.

No, that's true at all Cena. You are operating under the assumption that a show's aesthetic quality determines whether it succeeds or fails in a network television environment, but this has NEVER been the case. Case in point: Buffy got like fifty seasons, and Angel got nearly as many. Both of those shows sucked far, far worse than Firefly.

A list of what are objectively the best TV shows ever:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest-running_U.S._syn dicated_television_series

Wrong metric, longevity is a measure of the most AVERAGE shows. Mass appeal rarely correlates with quality. Those shows are the middle of the bell curve.

Although not at all likely why the show got pulled, I still agree with Cena that Firefly sucked.

You want to have real fun with Firefly fans, point out to them that Adam Baldwin is a vocal right-wing lunatic on par with Ted Nugent and watch their heads explode trying to excuse their dumb fetishization of him.

Or just point out that it's a ripoff of Outlaw Star.

I like to point out to Wheadon fans that Buffy the Vampire Slayer is not, in fact, an empowering female character so much as Joss Wheadon's creepy, hybrid "tough girl"/"women in peril" fetish object and isn't much different from a "bad girl" character in a Russ Meyer movie except with the "vampires" and "underage" in place of "giant breasts"



I didn't realize just how creepy the subtext of that show was until someone informed me that Joss Wheadon is apparently not actually gay, which I just assumed for a long time.

Basically I used to give him a pass for Buffy because I thought he was writing a character he wanted to be, then I found out he was writing a character he wanted to fuck and just no.

There's nothing wrong with writing a character based around your turn-ons and fetishes, as long as you're honest about it and don't pretend that you're doing something principled and high-minded instead.

But what if one of your turn-ons is pretending to be principled and high-minded?

Then you're probably really upset that Anita Sarkeesian is quitting.

Oh boy, this guy.

This didn't really go deep. It's just the guy talking about the true message of the show and how bullying people to suicide conflicts with it.

No, but it's deeper than the other videos on this subject. They include scene girl:
https://youtu.be/qufq0Clkg_w

and That Bearded MRA Who Isn't AmazingAtheist:
https://youtu.be/deVVU2K0Eo0


The thing is, most of these videos assume that the viewers have already done their research, and already understand the underlying issue - that the Steven Universe fandom went all Charlie Hebdo and tried to murder a poor young woman. They don't really explain what happened, so they might be confusing for a less SU-savvy audience.

Who the hell is Mayor Dewey?

I really don't understand what drives fandoms like this. Take, for example, the LazyTown fandom: artists and authors can ship their own Mayor, Mayor Meanswell, with anyone they like - including his niece Stephanie - and nobody bats an eye. Interracial incest, despite the fact she's clearly got a thing for Rottenella, so what? Live and let live, the fandom says. Or the Mortal Kombat fandom - yeah, pair off Mileena with Scorpion and Kitana with Jade, despite the fact that official canon states that they are in relationships with Baraka and Lui Kang, respectively. Who cares? WWE, ship whomever. Sailor Moon, ship whomever. Sonichu, ship whomever. Let your freak flag fly.

But then you've got all these SU dorks acting all high-and-mighty, thought-policing their community's 'ships like a pack of Maoist child soldiers. It's sad.

I think it's long past time for a liberal critique of Steven Universe.

He's the mayor of the town Steven lives in, Beach City. He rocks. He has a van with a large likeness of his head on top of it, and speakers that blare out "Mayor Dewey!"
He has an unrequited crush on Pearl, yet the haters are hypocritically cool with Pearl's unrequited crush on Rose, cause it's gay and thereby cool.

Oh, so he's like some uyoku dantai, ultra-nationalist politician? That's cool. He'd be perfect paired up with a lesbian space alien.

He's also voiced by Joel Hodgson, which automatically makes him the best character in this show.

When Joel Hodgson voices your best character, you know your show is in trouble.

The whole cast is awesome. Estelle is amazing as Garnet.

I've never heard of bronies actively encouraging a fanartist to commit suicide, especially not for reasons as stupid as the ones people were attacking Namii over. The closest parallel I can think of might be the Michael Morones case - but bronies came together to *help* Michael and his family. They weren't bullying him.

Yeah it was a hypothetical, just that this could happen in any fandom; I'm sure there have been Star Wars/Trek fans who have done something similar because of something that happened at a convention, forum, etc, but SU's fans' bullying reached the attention of Cartoon Network, prompting the network to launch an anti-bullying campaign of their own.

http://tinyurl.com/hw558wz

It's not going to stop the online (or real life, but mostly online) bullying and trolling, but every little thing helps and I think it's cool that they took that initiative, whereas Disney wouldn't care less if someone got trolled to death on a Star Wars forum.

Star Wars has been trolling its own fans to death for the last twenty years.

Fat shaming.

HONOR MY CURVES