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Binro the Heretic - 2016-02-08

People who refer to more than half a million dead Iraqi children as "worth it" shouldn't be bringing up the subject of special places in Hell.

Even Gloria Steinem is talking bullshit, claiming young women who support Sanders only do so to impress boys or some shit like that. Seriously, Ms. Steinem? You just dismissed a whole generation of women as spineless bimbos because they didn't choose what you wanted them to choose.

Hillary supporters need to get over the idea that those of us who aren't enthusiastic about her "just don't like her because she's a woman." We don't like her because she's unlikeable. She, like her husband and, if truth be told, Barack Obama, comes off as self-serving and disingenuous.

I will still vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination, but I would be a lot happier if Sanders got it. And you can take that, "He won't be able to get anything done because of congress," shit and cram it. Hillary won't be able to get anything of consequence done, either.

Nominal - 2016-02-08

Fuck her, and fuck them!

Oh, Binro.

infinite zest - 2016-02-08

Yeah I watched that Bill Maher episode on Saturday.. to me her comment sounded sarcastic and attempting to be funny (Real Time IS still considered a comedy news show after all) but I was still like "oh shit."

Hazelnut - 2016-02-08

Similarly that "Special place in Hell" line is a favorite catch phrase of Albrights -- just comes off wrong in this context

Bort - 2016-02-08

"People who refer to more than half a million dead Iraqi children as "worth it" shouldn't be bringing up the subject of special places in Hell."

Every time Albright talks, I too hear a coda along those lines. In this case the coda was "... of course I'm not talking about helping the quarter million Iraqi women killed by sanctions".

"And you can take that, "He won't be able to get anything done because of congress," shit and cram it. Hillary won't be able to get anything of consequence done, either."

The difference is, at least the things Hillary is trying to do are incremental enough that some of them can be achieved through the horse trading that Republicans engaged in even under Obama. And should there be an unexpectedly friendly Congress, she'll be able to scale upwards.

But with Sanders, there are two options: either he genuinely doesn't know how the Constitution works, or he is being, well, self-serving and disingenuous. I think it's the latter: he's built his little cult of personality, he's got a lot of people convinced that they can get what they want but only by supporting him, and a lot of people are in for a rude surprise by the end of 2017 when Bernie hasn't been able to get a single big thing done.

Really, I think Bernie's worst nightmare is getting into office, because then he'll have to deliver; he's gotten a lot of people to drink the Trader Joe's Super Green Drink Powder, now he needs someone else to take him out of the game before he's exposed as a fraud.

Gmork - 2016-02-08

That's adorable how you think your opinion matters.

Binro the Heretic - 2016-02-08

All Hillary will do is preserve the status quo. She will do nothing to address inequality in the long term. She'll cut some deals with Republicans for little token measures that make it look like she's doing something, but all she'll be doing is letting the oligarchy continue to grind us down.

Sanders will, I think, at least call them out on their bullshit. He'll at least ask them why healthcare has to be so expensive and why education isn't free for everyone and why poor children have to drink lead-filled water and why we have to spend so much on war and why assholes with mountains of wealth deserve to hoard more and more of it in tax shelters.

The more they try to defend their policies, the more they'll look like assholes. Soon, voter apathy and gerrymandering won't be enough to save their asses.

Bort - 2016-02-08

Voter apathy and gerrymandering will ALWAYS be enough to save their asses, because however much the public gets mad at the Republicans, they get mad at the Democrats in equal measure. Because Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans, you know.

Bort - 2016-02-08

Gmork - what do I have to do to get you to appreciate my opinions, shoot a black teenager to death?

memedumpster - 2016-02-08

To be fair, when she was their age, foreign policy was getting the neanderthal to share fire.


Doc Victor - 2016-02-08


Bobonne - 2016-02-08

I've been defending Hillary Clinton and shaking my head at the massive amounts of pure sexism behind so many of the attacks on her for literally decades.

If I had a good alternative, and, you know, were American, I'd vote for someone else. Because she's not a very good person, and she's way too corporate for my liking.

Nothing to do with her gender. Just like all the people that want to vote for her should be motivated by.

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The Mothership - 2016-02-08

I'd vote for Hillary if she picked Elizabeth Warren for veep.

Bobonne - 2016-02-08

Warren's too smart to be veep.

The Mothership - 2016-02-09

I know......and it makes me sad.

cognitivedissonance - 2016-02-08

Remember when John McCain begrudgingly tried to push Sarah Palin as a veep because he thought the liberal kids were trying to get a "firstie" president? They still, to this day, don't understand. It's not about Obama as "first black president". Obama is as Irish as JFK was. We want somebody who will halt the process if the process isn't working. They still think in terms of late 60s kulturkampf.

Gmork - 2016-02-08

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