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Tags:School, Shooting, bullying, Mass Shooting, people suck
Submitted:Scrotum H. Vainglorious
Date:12/04/16
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Comment count is 27
Waugh
someone ignored their duty to the panopticon, now it's time to die
EvilHomer
But what are we paying this darn Panopticon for, if it can't even detect and neutralize childhood pre-crime?

Shanghai Tippytap
its tough. on one hand that was really well done. on the other hand if flippin people off in high school was a warning we'd be at defcon 1
Waugh
it's fearmongering propaganda that promotes mass surveillance and casts social misfits as scheming terrorists. don't give pernicious bullshit any points just because it's slick.

jfcaron_ca
Let's make sure to treat victims of bullying as potential terrorists. Clearly there is something wrong with them if they are being bullied. Normal people don't get bullied, do they, JF?

That guy
It is my job to bully this whole site, usually by trying to be droll, and doing so semi-successfully, fartface.

Old_Zircon
Waugh you are on a roll this weekend!

Waugh
im heroic

somedongus
Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Booo.
Born in the RSR
Hope Bored guy is the first one shot. Vandalizing state property is not cool, bro!
bac
I don't get it.
StanleyPain
I was out of high school before the post-Columbine era, but when I *was* in HS, by far the people most likely to carry out violence against other students was the "bully class" (sports stars, rich kids with family connections to the school, etc.) than anyone else.

While I appreciate the discussion that came about from events like Columbine about bullying in school, and it's an important topic to be sure, people tend to forget that in many school shootings, *especially* Columbine, the evidence would go on to show that the shooters were, in fact, not victimized or marginalized members of the school, but were actually known to be anti-social violent assholes and bullies in their own right.
Waugh
lol you're old

baleen
didn't they talk about being bullied a lot and shit?

The only difference between the Age of Sandy Hook and the innocent days of yesteryear appears to be the levels of isolation that people are permitted to engage in. It's really difficult to get into this stuff if everyone has something going on in their lives. There's something to be said about flow psychology. We live in a connected age of deep isolation, it's almost a crisis amongst males.

Every shooter, or pair of shooters, seems to have in common a withdrawal and reinforcement process that involves being drawn into and isolated inside a culture that reflects their ideas. Before the internet it was harder to find these mirrors, but they existed in fringe literature and paranoid religious screeds. There was nothing about the families of these two boys that would suggest serious abuse, just neglect.

Binro the Heretic
The Columbine shooters weren't bullied. That's just some bullshit the media came up with to "explain" how two regular kids could do something so horrible.

Nut they weren't regular kids. One was mentally ill and the other was an easily-manipulated dumbass.

Nominal
I never once witnessed the "cool kids" being bullies in school, all the way from preschool up to high school graduation. The star quarterback is too busy banging cheerleaders to care about dumping some nerd's books. The top crowd being bullies is something I've only ever seen in movies and TV.

Real life bullies were always the people just barely one step above the very bottom of the social ladder, feeling that the only thing keeping themselves afloat was constantly kicking the people just below them. Exactly how the most violently racist people tend to be poverty line working class.

They were usually all from shitty homes.

Old_Zircon
Those were the lone bullies, nominal. The kind StanleyPain is talking about tended to work in groups and were less public about it because they weren't trying to demonstrate social dominance they didn't have, they were simply enforcing the dominance they DID have, and didn't need or want to be seen.

Both types mostly left me alone for some reason.

Redford
Fuck this shit.

Fun fact, I was an antisocial a persecuted child in high school. Later in my life I've found out that I was targeted as the administration of the school for a potential person who could cause gun violence, due to my depression. They blamed all my issues on my mother and put her through hell, while the school delicately tiptoed around the issues and ordered all the teachers "to be nice" to me as this is clearly how to prevent a student from going on a gun rampage.

Due to the school's attempts to "fix" my issues, I've suffered lifelong because of it. Identifying children as potential gun criminals is not the answer, identifying children as mentally suffering and actually helping them with their problems is.
RedRust
Man, that sucks.

Caminante Nocturno
If something that sappy and cloying was happening in front of me day after day, I'd snap too.
Monkey Napoleon
This would be evil even *if* the stereotype were true (pro-tip: it's not).
TeenerTot
Well, when the alternative is "get rid of guns," who cares about a few misfit kids on the alter of the public safety pageant?
Binro the Heretic
I nearly voted this down in the hopper, but my need to bitch about it won out over my need to see it just disappear.

First of all, fuck their sleight-of-hand-hey-look-at-this-thing-look-at-this-thing-look-at- this-thing-WHAM!-HA!-you-totally-didn't-see-that-other-thing-while -we-made-you-look-at-this-thing-bullshit. Yeah, we saw that thing with the video of the people bouncing the basketball and the person in the gorilla costume, too.

Second of all, this just promotes the bullshit idea that the people carrying out these mass school shootings are the weirdo loner kids who get bullied a lot. This is a narrative that's been pushed for nearly twenty years, ever since the 1999 mass murder spree at Columbine High School perpetrated by Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris. It's based on an out-and-out-lie.

In their frenzy to "explain" how something like this could happen, the media latched onto the idea that Klebold and Harris were victims of bullying out for revenge against their persecutors. Nothing could have been further from the truth, though. They were a pair of psychopaths who did a lot of bullying themselves. Their master plan was to execute a devastating attack that killed hundreds and if they hadn't fucked up the wiring on their bombs, they would have. Their goal wasn't revenge, it was fame and immortality, which they have unfortunately achieved to some degree.

And to see this myth of the bullied kid turning on their tormentors perpetuated by an organization invoking the name of Sandy Hook is particularly disturbing since the mass murder at Sandy Hook Elementary School was carried out by a twenty-year-old man.

The sad fact is most mass shootings take people completely by surprise and the "signs" that the shooter was going to carry them out only appear in hindsight. Regular behavior can look suddenly suspicious after the fact. We don't need to be encouraging school kids to not only treat bullying victims with the scorn and indifference they usually get, but with fear, suspicion and anger on top of it all.
Gmork
If all students were armed with finger guns, this would never have happened.

Waugh
you're the one who's going to need finger guns if you know what i mean buster

Anaxagoras
Well then. This video certainly invoked some feelings on poetv.

Good job!
RedRust
I saw some middle school assholes last year during Halloween season. They were walking home the two of them, in spot on Klebold/Harris garb, Intratec DC-9 and all. Was going to yell at them, but had already learned a lesson from yelling at/confronting minors.
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