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Tags:Nazis, Protest, racists, harsh critique
Submitted:StanleyPain
Date:08/14/17
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Fezren
That's some pretty strong virtue-signalling at the end there.

It sure would be great to live in a country where everyone gets to have a say in things instead of having a small group of degenerates decide for everyone else.
SolRo
Fuck you and your traitor monuments.

Fezren
Hey, I went through a vandalism stage when I was a teenager, too. And then I became an adult and realized why it was wrong.

betabox
Ah yes, the tyranny of the majority is virtuous and good. Fuck you. Racist traitors do not deserve monuments.

SolRo
Vandalism; BAD

Racist terrorists; MEH

-Fezren

SolRo
Vandalism; BAD

Racist terrorists; MEH

-Fezren

Fezren
I don't ever remember MEHing racist terrorists.

"Racist traitors do not deserve monuments."

Would have been a good argument to remove the monument in a city council meeting. City council meetings not edgy enough for you?

SolRo
Oh im sure the democratic process works flawlessly in the unconstitutionally racially gerrymandered southern states where white shit stains like you control the government despite not being the majority of voters.

animegurl1000
Sometimes wanton vandalism and destruction of property is a better way to get your message across to an unsympathetic government, Fezren. See also: the Boston Tea Party of 1773.

SolRo
If only the founding fathers had acted like proper british subjects and ran their petition through the proper channels of barons and lords i'm sure that whole "taxation" kerfuffle could have been settled without a war.

Fezren
Sure, this is totally just like the Boston tea party.

SolRo
You're right! only the right wing nut jobs get to call everything they do just like the boston tea party!

Fezren
I'm not a member or supporter of the Tea Party movement, either.

SolRo
Oh come on now, that has never stopped you poster children for abortion from licking the petrified balls of the founding fathers in an attempt to justify your racist fascism.

Fezren
Not supporting the Tea Party never stopped me from what? Actually, when the Tea Party movement was formed, I was a card-carrying democrat. The reason I left the democrats was not because they were going too far left, but because they were becoming too authoritarian. So I'm pretty sure I'm not a facist. I'm also not a racist, but since your definition of racism seems to be "whoever disagrees with me on the most minute political issue", I guess I'm just not that offended by it anyway.

Nominal
Animegurl's point is that we should be more like the tea party?

For fuck's sake, guys. Society isn't two teams with score cards determining how shitty your team gets to act. "The other team has 100 points of shittiness built up so that means we get to cash in 99."

No. Any society worth anything is about agreeing on a floor of decency through which we will not sink lower than.

Was your takeaway from reading Lord of the Flies that Ralph should have preemptively murdered all the other boys?

SolRo
That's a nice sentiment and everything, but we're talking about Nazis.

You know, the murder everyone not white enough Nazis...

I'm pretty sure their decency floor is a trap door.

Fezren
Nazi Fascists!? That's at least 100 decency units below 0! How should we gauge our response...

I know! We'll act like total shitheads, only not quite as bad as the ones we use to justify our own shitty behavior!

Meanwhile on stormfront:

Commie Thugs!? That's at least 100 decency units below 0! How should we gauge our response...

I know! We'll act like total shitheads, only not quite as bad as the ones we use to justify our own shitty behavior!

SolRo
Oh yeah, im sure your butt buddies on the now non-existant stormfront site would totally not call for the doxxing and murder of everyone featured in this video.

By the way dipshit, is that why you're back, because stormfront is systematically getting banned from every web hosting service and you have nowhere to rant about jews and niggers ruining America?

Fezren
"Oh yeah, im sure your butt buddies on the now non-existant stormfront site would totally not call for the doxxing and murder of everyone featured in this video."

That may be so, I've only browsed stormfront for maybe 2 minutes once a long time ago. It didn't interest me because it seemed pretty much full of people who are the right wing version of you.

At any rate, you're missing the point. I'm criticizing the "lets be shitty, but not quite as shitty" mentality radicals on both the left and the right have adopted.

"is that why you're back"

I've just been really busy for the last few months making the world a better place.

SolRo
@your last sentence;


HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Fezren
Laugh all you want, but it's true. I probably have more irl SJW cred than anybody on PoETV.

bawbag
"M-muh virtue signalling. No one does anything for any reason other than to score imaginary p-p-points"

Fezren
Are you making fun of people with speech impediments? Classy.

bawbag
Making fun of nervous as fuck lil bitches like yourself who're now suddenly pretending to be 'IRL SJWs' after however long of being a regressive dipshit here.

:)

Fezren
"Making fun of nervous as fuck lil bitches like yourself who're now suddenly pretending to be 'IRL SJWs' after however long of being a regressive dipshit here."

You say making fun, but I'm sort of getting the impression that it's not actually that fun for you. More like an obsessive character defect.

I'd provide proof of my claims for you, but I just don't feel safe revealing personal information somewhere with so many unbalanced and hysterical radicals. Hey, you're the tough guy internet detective right? Why don't you dox me and find out for yourself.

bawbag
"I don't feel safe PS: please doxx me"

Even RoUS had more sense than this.
Join the queue lil mr 'I'm a libertarian, no wait I'm an SJW πŸ˜“πŸ˜“πŸ˜“'

StanleyPain
Remember all those "city council" meetings that led to the destruction of Nazi monuments in Germany after the defeat of Hitler?

Fezren
""I don't feel safe PS: please doxx me""

You missed the implication I was making, which is that I don't believe for a second that you could dox me if you wanted to. You're not just going to google my username and find my personal info on reddit.

"'I'm a libertarian, no wait I'm an SJW"

I don't consider myself an SJW but I do help disadvantaged people and work to solve one of the biggest crises in the US for a living. And while I am libertarian, as in anti-authoritarian on the political scale, I'm not a member of the libertarian party nor do I support them.

bawbag
"work to solve one of the biggest crises in the US for a living."

I'll take 'what is a low-level gym employee?' for $500 please Alex.

SolRo
Maybe he helps peddle predatory mortgage and home equity loans but is so fucking stupid he drank the marketing koolaid

betamaxed
"No. Any society worth anything is about agreeing on a floor of decency through which we will not sink lower than"

Perhaps that floor of decency should include not having monuments to racist traitors on public property.

Nominal
It's possible to take down shitty statues without lauding the tea party as heroes.

I take it you missed the past week where the usual PoETV suspects were advocating preemptive murder. Where were you to cry foul then? Now you want to tut tut me about decency over a statue? Fuck off.

Binro the Heretic
Fuck your Jim Crow era participation trophy.
dubz
OK, I live in NC ~2 hours from both Cville and Durham so to see this shit kicking off in my area is a bit of a mind screw.

The response in Charlottesville to a bunch of Tiki Nazis was amazing and I was starting to feel like things are turning around for the better. People won't stand for that shit anymore.

But this is no good, fight Nazis, not statues. It's pure showboating and not only does it embolden the fuckheads but removing that statue and its memory helps history repeat itself.
Meerkat
If people were walking by and spitting on the statue because it is a symbol of treasonous slave owners then yeah I guess that could be useful in educating the young as to the merits of fighting to retain a way of life that a civilised society finds repugnant.

As it is, these statues were erected as "fuck your feelings" middle fingers to the civil rights movements during the 60's by racists and segregationists and merely stand as touchstones for a cultural backwater that should have died out long ago.

15th
Yeah, I think these statues are a celebration of the Confederacy, more so than a solemn reminder kind of thing.

Morality aside, just strategically speaking, the leftist protestors should get back to political action and swaying public opinion. The last 10 seconds of this clip makes it pretty clear they're going to get their asses beat in physical altercations with rednecks.

Nominal
If only they had put 1% of this effort into actually voting so the doughy brown shirts' hero wouldn't have been elected.

Meerkat
But her emails.

Meerkat
Which reminds me, I was thinking it would be cool to write a Star Trek episode like The Omega Glory where this entire society has gone to shit and every time something bad happens everyone looks resigned and says "Buttery Males" and moves on and the crew can't figure out what the fuck it means but they have to solve it because the only way they can help is to get some access codes out of a private server that nobody can make work anymore.

Meerkat
On second thought it wouldn't be that cool unless it also included one Arthur Fonzarelli.

dubz
I agree completely... just alarmed at the speed this is ramping up.

How about something like this?

https://theconversation.com/what-to-do-with-confederate-statue s-81736
dubz
shit fucked up the reply, that's my sign to go to bed

badideasinaction
Wow, that was an impressively fragile statue; a perfect representation of the people it was for.
Old_Zircon
Made out of chocolate?

M-DEEM
Haha! Kick! Kick! Kick with your shitty shoes made by slave labor in sweatshops the world over!

I am dying here at how bad the girl that comes in at 1:17 hurts herself. A+ video
M-DEEM
sorry, sorry not girl...person...womyn? shit

SolRo
How's stormfront doing?

You starting to itch from not having a bunch of other troglodytes sieg heil to every post you make?

M-DEEM
Lol! Remember kids, you should always send someone up the ladder who is at least half as physically fit as the statue to be destroyed!

Hooker
Five for M-DEEM.

fedex
I'm an electrical engineer, father of two, and, as you can see from my flat, concentric nipple rings, I'm a member of this planet's top race!
15th
The more I read this comment the less I have any idea what you mean. Cheers.

fedex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIcsk2ZoaTY

infinite zest
fuck this statue
Nominal
it's on fire

infinite zest
fuck this fire and honestly fuck the pigs and fuck this statue

cognitivedissonance
Love it.
Maggot Brain
knocking over confederate statutes looks fun!
Fezren
"Remember all those "city council" meetings that led to the destruction of Nazi monuments in Germany after the defeat of Hitler?"

Oh, why didn't I think of that? This is just like that. Totally.
Fezren
Welp, comment reply errors is usually my cue to go find something more productive to do. Stay classy.

Cena_mark
We can compromise here. It doesn't mean you can't have Civil War monuments. Central Park has a beautiful gilded statue of General Sherman. I wouldn't have a problem with you guys erecting statues of him.

cognitivedissonance
Sherman should've been president, not Grant. Reconstruction would've been incalculably harsher and Jim Crow never would've been a possibility.

Nominal
It was more Lincoln being assassinated and southern sympathizer Johnson taking over that neutered many of the changes that should have happened post Civil War.

Booth's bullet did more damage to the union cause than the entire army of Northern Virginia.

Old_Zircon
Wait, we're now saying that General Sherman, who believed that black people were biologically inferior to whites and benefited from slavery, who said "We... must make old and young, rich and poor, feel the hard hand of war, as well as their organized armies" while deliberately targeting civilians, whose tactics had devastating social and economic repercussions for the American Southeast that are still still being felt today, and whose tactics were a direct influence on the Nazis own military strategies, was anything other than a war criminal who simply happened to be on the right side of history?

Doc Victor
WT Sherman was a goddamn great American, about whom very little is understood, or even really written about historically. I recall the best book I could Find about him admitted in its first pages that primary source documents directly concerning him were few and far between.

Trying to wag your finger at Sherman from the roost of a modern academic seems a bit haughty. Through the lens of the civil war, arguably the only conflict in which Americans had no choice to find themselves personally and bitterly enmired by, not to mention first and foremost, a *war*, Shermans punitive campaign against the confederacy cannot possibly seem that hard to justify. He was a hard man who lived through hard times, and we as a society of civilized folk could do with a few more of his ilk up at the top.

Were he around today I believe he would chuckle cynically at the absurd spectacle of media fueled bipartisan political hysteria, and repair to his quarters to get drunk by oil lamp light.

What's so civil about war anyway?

Bobonne
Given that Sherman understood exactly what sort of mentality in the enemy populace he was facing in the South, and knew that so long as civilians supported Confederate soldiers materially the war would drag on longer than otherwise and more people on both sides would die as a result, his choices to attack "civilian" infrastructure, while being careful not to actually physically harm civilians therein, keeping a tight leash on his soldiers to prevent looting or harming civilians meanwhile?

He was a fucking enlightened and merciful soldier of peace compared to 90% of the generals on either sides during the war, while preventing more deaths in the short to long run than any other general in the conflict due to his strategies.

The South is butthurt as hell about Sherman, even today, but he's one of your country's few genuinely admirable military heroes, given the conflict he found himself in, the enemy and its populace he was facing, and the time in which he lived.

So suck it.

15th
β€œAll the congresses on earth can’t make the negro anything else than what he is; he must be subject to the white man.”

- Good General in the clear cut good vs evil war of 1861-1865

Doc Victor
Just FYI I never said anything about good or evil. Sherman was if nothing else a force for order and gave the assurance that rebellion would not be tolerated.

Bobonne
That quote? 1860. You know what Abraham Lincoln thought of slavery in 1860?

Human beings are capable of change, of growth, of becoming better people. Because we're flawed. Because we're screwed up by our upbringings and our surroundings. You know, like Sherman was, to some degree, being from Louisiana.

It's the reason the term "ex-nazi" can exist. It's the reason people can stop being homophobes.

"We looked upon General Sherman, prior to his arrival, as a man, in the providence of God, specially set apart to accomplish this work, and we unanimously felt inexpressible gratitude to him, looking upon him as a man that should be honored for the faithful performance of his duty. Some of us called upon him immediately upon his arrival, and it is probable he did not meet [Secretary Stanton] with more courtesy than he met us. His conduct and deportment toward us characterized him as a friend and a gentleman." - Garrison Frazier

"My aim then was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. "Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." I did not want them to cast in our teeth what General Hood had once done at Atlanta, that we had to call on their slaves to help us to subdue them. But, as regards kindness to the race ..., I assert that no army ever did more for that race than the one I commanded at Savannah." - Sherman himself

Special Field Orders, no. 15.

And now that's enough of that, because the only people that argue about Sherman on the internet are butthurt racists and idiots that enable them.

15th
CASE CLOSED

Spaceman Africa
charlottesville is going nuts, i'm praying for chris-chan's safety
discodracula
Thankfully they were at Bronycon all weekend and seem oblivious to what went down in their hometown.

chumbucket
I completely support the vandalizing of symbols of hate and oppression. Especially proud to see it going on in my own country. Good to see it taking a nice kick to the shins and moving forward.
alitheiathricechastened
Who the fuck let all of you racist chucklefucks into poetv.com? There is literally already a site for you. It's called 4chan. Get thee to it and piss in an ocean of piss.
Bobonne
Unfortunately, a lot of them have been here for years, some of them since the start.

Just like 4chan's 'let's all pretend to be idiots' initial culture attracted hordes of the real thing over the years, portal of evil, news and tv included, attracted a lot of people who just genuinely enjoyed the misery and suffering of others, some of whom channeled those tendencies into becoming Trump supporters or white supremacists or nazis when that sort of thing started ticking on the uprise the last few years.

M-DEEM
Go back to any post about i dunno cica 2010. It was and should again be a place to make jokes you serious dorks

cognitivedissonance
Man, I could watch that statue being pulled down all day.
betamaxed
Me too, cog. Luckily there are more of these shitty fucking monuments up all around that region. This gives me hope that we'll see similar videos in the future.

chumbucket
I'd give it about 3 weeks before an iPhone app appears showing all Confed monument locations and allowing users to both capture toppling them and getting points for doing so.

Maggot Brain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monuments_and_memorials_of_t he_Confederate_States_of_America

Gotta topple 'em all!

Potter
Who the fuck are all these assholes in the comments all of a sudden? I know I'm not much of a regular, but where did these shits come from?

That's how you end a fucked up war. We did it in Germany, we did it in Iraq, we will keep doing it in the US until every last racist nazi fuck is dead. On;y good nazi is a dead nazi. Remember your grandfather came hoe from Europe in 1944 a war hero for killing nazis, it's part of the American Dream.
SolRo
The PoE Nazis surface every time their inbred cousins make the news.

Also their favorite website is getting kicked from various hosting platforms so I guess poeTV is their fallback.

Nominal
came ho

Space Odin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monuments_and_memorials_of_t he_Confederate_States_of_America

For fun, try chasing down the dates that these things were put up. There seems to be a glut of them in the 20th century, that's no accident (KKK pole-greasing).
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