What's the angle here? We can beat a guy who talks about pussy grabbing by running a guy who actually does it?

Where in this video does Biden grab anyone by the pussy?

Disinformation and trolling.

Trump supporters: "anything that threatens my tribalist worldview is fake news"

Resistance democrats: "anything that threatens my tribalist worldview is russian disinformation"

I mean, I'm sorry the dems nominated a sexual assaulter who will lose the general? Maybe they should have picked literally anyone else? Fucking Yang even? Yes, ORANGE MAN BAD, but that doesn't change clearly observable reality.

Pardon my right wing source, but I think there is a pattern here...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/04/joe-biden-alle gations-physical-behavior-women

Are we saying that Joe Biden is sexually molesting the children of senators at publlic events? Cause if we are, I'm against that.

>>>I mean, I'm sorry the dems nominated a sexual assaulter who will lose the general?

>>>Yes, ORANGE MAN BAD, but that doesn't change clearly observable reality.

What do you consider observable reality? I mean, I acknowledge that Biden may have committed sexual assault, and it has to be taken seriously, but it's only an observable reality if there's footage.

and "will lose the general" is a prediction about the future. How is the future observable reality?

And fuck anyone who ever references the "ORANGE MAN BAD" meme. That started off stupid and went nowhere. Nobody cares what color Trump is, okay?

"What do you consider observable reality?"

lol jesus christ

what you are experiencing is the cognitive dissonance involved in defending the indefensible

Biden is a corrupt senile creep. No one likes him and a lot of people hate him. He is the weakest presidential candidate I can remember. I mean, listen, I'm not happy about for more years of Trump either. But denying reality isn't going to help. If you want to be angry, be angry at the people that picked fucking Joe "I got arrested trying to meet Nelson Mandela" Biden to be our only choice against Trump.

"Are we saying that Joe Biden is sexually molesting the children of senators at publlic events? Cause if we are, I'm against that."

Nobody is saying anything, you've come up with a statement on your own to denounce. There is video evidence that clearly shows Biden has a pattern of inappropriately touching and smelling women and girls. When asked, these women confirm that Biden made them uncomfortable. More importantly, a woman who once worked for him has accused Biden of sexual assault(rape). Whether or not you believe rape accusers is the crux of the matter.

Black voters picked joe Biden.

Should we be angry at black voters? Should all the painfully white and entitled berniebros start whining about black people not knowing what’s good for them?

>>>"What do you consider observable reality?"

>>>lol jesus christ

>>>what you are experiencing is the cognitive dissonance involved in defending the indefensible

I'm defending the increasingly unpopular idea that WORDS MEAN THINGS . In order for something to be "observable reality" (your words) , it must be

1) real, and

2) observable.

Sex crimes by Biden may be real, but they are not observable.

The future may be real in some weird quantum physics,/MCU sense, but it certainly isn't observable.

This is my whole argument, and there's no cognitive dissonance involved.

I fear you committed an oxymoron there.

Pillager's been on POE forever, so he's probably not some Russkie plant.

But this is still dumb.

It's more the most consistently shitty poetv all-stars finding the latest fad to be shitty about.

How can you not see that you're talking about yourself

Is it even possible in your opinion for somebody to be genuinely repulsed by BOTH candidates? Or are we all faking it because we're Bernie Bros or Infowars freaks?

Is there any room for the idea that Joe Biden might actually be a sincerely bad person, with a long history of bad judgement, and being inappropriate with young girls? That maybe we aren't wrong to be disgusted by his nomination? Even if we acknowledge that Trump is marginally worse?

I think it's possible to dislike both candidates. I think it's okay to be annoyed, angry and even disgusted that the Dems couldn't come up with anyone better than Biden, a safe, establishment choice that reminds me more of a little than Hillary's nomination in '16. It's okay to dislike Joe Biden.

But where I get off this particular bus is his assertion that he'd be only "marginally" worse than Trump. "Marginally?" Where the hell have you been for the last four years?

Again, I can't understand why Americans suddenly get all het up about what is really the most binary, cut-your-losses, good-enough-I-guess choice in their lives. If I had to guess, I'd guess it has something to do with the fact that people tend to identify with their political choices on a personal level more than they used to, but this isn't much of a political choice. I fully expect to vote for the lesser of two devils every four years until I die. You can call me a "Hillary voter" or a "Biden voter," but as there are only two real choices, I don't think it means very much. Except to some people, who'll happily spin wild-ass stories about it. By the time November 2016 rolled around, you'd think that Hillary Clinton was a cross between Auric Goldfinger and Pablo Escobar. She wasn't a very good candidate, but most of what was said about her on the further reaches of the internet was absolute nonsense.

Yes, I know how first past the post voting and the two party system works. You don't need to explain it.

I am angry that the democratic party picked someone who would not be considered a serious candidate for national office in any nation with a functioning media ecosystem, and will absolutely lose to DJT in November.
I am angry about being shamed for not pretending like the several disqualifying features of Biden are not glaringly obvious.
I am angry that I will be blamed for four more years of Trump when Biden loses.
I am angry that we have apparently learned nothing and will continue making the same mistakes as America spirals further into a failed state.

Ashtar, I apologize if it felt that I was explaining the obvious to you.

But honestly, I'd say that Biden would lose to Trump in most years, no question. But after this Cornavirus mess and I-don't-even-know-how-many dead Americans? I think Biden's the bigtime favorite now. Trump can't walk away from this one, and he can't pin it on a scapegoat. Though he's been trying. The polls won't show it for a while, but he's done.

"I worked at an all-black swimming pool in the east side of Wilmington, I was involved in what the Negroes, I mean, blacks were thinking, what they were feeling."


https://spectator.org/64441_chris-wallace-interviews-joe-biden -retrospective/

No, Biden will be destroyed.

Jesus, Pillager, THE AMERICAN SPECTATOR?

https://spectator.org/authors/

https://spectator.org/author/grovernorquist/

Here's some polling data

Trump's poll numbers have always been bad, but most significantly, they don't change very much. Most of us have made up our minds about this guy. Recently, his numbers were at all time high, which was... still bad, and already starting to go down.

Right now Biden leads Trump by 11 per cent. That wouldn't mean so much in April of a usual election year, but it MIGHT be more solid, consideering Trump's relatively unchanging poll numbers.

Trump's big advatntage in 2016 was that NO ONE seriously thought he could win. It was unimaginable, and this is no longer the case. Turnout will be different.

None of this is to argue that Biden will definitely win, but rather to argue that anyone who says he definitely WONT win is talking out the opposite end.

Despite your quote, black Americans seemed to turn out for Biden in a big way during the primaries. They may not care all that much about Biden using outdated racial terminology.

Anyway, I'm not sure that saying, however clumsily, "I've spent time with black people and feel I understood them" is the worst thing that a candidate could say. Though he certainly could have phrased that better, and I suppose it is a generous reading. Some US presidents have been elected without having any real contact with black people at all.

>>>>Yes, I know how first past the post voting and the two party system works. You don't need to explain it.

>>>I am angry that the democratic party picked someone who would not be considered a serious candidate for national office in any nation with a functioning media ecosystem, and will absolutely lose to DJT in November.
>>>I am angry about being shamed for not pretending like the several disqualifying features of Biden are not glaringly obvious.
>>>I am angry that I will be blamed for four more years of Trump when Biden loses.
>>>I am angry that we have apparently learned nothing and will continue making the same mistakes as America spirals further into a failed state.

You're angry that you didn't get what you want, and if you think that the point of all this is to give you what you want, you really do need to have the system explained to you.

I resent Bernie Bronies because I was for Clinton in 2016, but if Sanders had gotten the nomination, i would have been all in for Sanders. You say you understand how the system works, but THAT's how the system works.

But even more, I resent the Bernie Bronies because they're generally right. We need their energy and their ideas and their influence, and they insist on pissing it away on shitty conspiracy theories and tamper tantrumns when they don't get their way. They've actually accomplished something important and necessary.

Persoanlly,. I feel like I've been moved to the left in the the past four years. I was for Ckinton in 2016. this year I was for Warren. Sanders has brought me aloing.

Many comparisons between the Magagas and the Bernie Bronies are spurious, but one common thread is an impatience with politics. With the Magagas this has led to authoritarianism. I can see how people find it worrying on the left.

The status quo that we're trying to restore is PROGRESS. PROGRESS is the way it was, and the way it's supposed to be, The alternative to dictatoraship is politics, and that means compromise and progress, compromise and progress, for your whole life and even after you're dead. That's always been the choice, but it's never been quite so clear.

>>>Despite your quote, black Americans seemed to turn out for Biden in a big way during the primaries. They may not care all that much about Biden using outdated racial terminology.

You think maybe not enough black people read THE AMERICAN SPECTATOR?

I once read something from an african american author, and to paraphrase: White people consioder racism to be a matter of character, black people consider racism to be a matter of justice. It's a more practical matter, less abstract.

Are you idiots spreading right wing propaganda in the hopes of getting Biden to drop out of the race?

Or are you just petty little children lashing out because black people voted for someone you don’t like?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/chris-wallace-interviews_b_8359464< br />
It isn't getting any better.

It really isnt.

>>The status quo that we're trying to restore is PROGRESS. >PROGRESS is the way it was, and the way it's supposed to be, The >alternative to dictatoraship is politics, and that means compromise >and progress, compromise and progress, for your whole life and even >after you're dead. That's always been the choice, but it's never been >quite so clear.

Progress of the the Gini coefficient getting ever closer to one? Atmospheric CO2 ppm progressing up? The wage productivity gap going steadily up? Every generation of Americans being progressively worse off than their parents since 1980?

Democrats have done nothing to any of the actual problems we face. Biden will do nothing to fix them if he wins (which he won't).

The democratic party establishment is just the first obstacle we need to overcome if we want to slow our spiral ever further into dystopia.

Don't ever change, Cam.

And he doesn't. Ever.

No that's ridiculous, clearly Bush was worse. A million Iraqis are dead because of him.

The hyperbole from some Democrats about Trump makes it hard to take them seriously, especially when in the same breath they will defend Biden.

I think trump has a pretty sizable death toll racked up between Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria/Yemen/covid19.

It's not ridiculous. Trump's climate change poluicies alone could conceivably kill billions. His screwing the pooch on pandemic readiness could kill millions of us.

We're debating different things, I think. I respect the position that the Iraq War makes Bush a worse president than any other in our lifetime. On the other hand, although he did a few things to expand the imperial presidency, Bush merely made bad decisions. He didn't show the indifference to facts and other people that Trump has, or demand the same level of helpless sycophancy. He didn't bring his idiot kids and son-in-law to work in important White House jobs, or provide his staffers with the obvious opportunity for graft as Trump has. Trump is vengeful and nakedly political to an extent that probably would have shocked Nixon. After he gets through, we might see third-world level corruption and misgovernment that many Americans simply didn't know existed, or couldn't imagine happening in the United States.

Bottom line? Bush made awful decisions, but was not a thoroughly corrupt man. He was sometimes sincere and optimistic to a fault. Trump, thanks to an inability to work the levers of power or maybe a deep-seated isolationism, hasn't made those sorts of mistakes, at least until the Covid-19 epidemic. But he is corrupt in every meaning of the term, and may leave the United States a much worse place than Bush II did.

Honestly, defining which is "worse" is a matter of definition, and maybe personal opinion. That, and Trump's not done yet.

Neither Bush nor Obama is running right now, so how far we wanna go with this?

Meant to be a reply but w/e

I don't feel like this truly addresses my original point. You're arguing consequnces, and historians can debate this shit for years, burt the obvious truth is that George W. Bush, the previous worst presdent ever, wouldn't tell us that we're not heading for a generational health emergency, when we were. Extrapolate the consequences from here to Venus. Trump lies, he undermines the constituion, he punishes critics and desperately tries to pretend he knows what he's doing. He weakens institutions, he weakens reality. Just for his ego.

And jesus christ the courts are starting to reinforce his strongman rule.

It's not hyperbole. You can draw different conclusions if you want. But it's not fucking hyperbole.

you fucking idiot.

8 Credible sexual assault allegations.
A pattern of unwanted touching.
Burisma.
Lying about civil rights record.

Trump will have an easy reelection.

don't pull a muscle contorting yourself like that John

clearly Trump is worse than Bush in your eyes because he humiliated Mother, but for the rest of the world Bush's actual body count of actual people that he actually killed, being 7 digits and all, makes him a little worse than the rude orange man who hypothetically might become the worldx's greatest monster if conditions x, y and z and occur

>>>don't pull a muscle contorting yourself like that John

I'm going back something like three weeks. I'm talking about the pandemic. How hard

>>>clearly Trump is worse than Bush in your eyes because he humiliated Mother,

Oh, yes, this is right wing dogma right here. This is Brett Kavenaugh, claiming he was the victim of "revenge for the Clintons" The idea is that we're so obsessed with Hillary Clinton that nothing else matters is beyond cartoonish.

interesting to bring up Kavanaugh in a discussion about Joe Biden, almost like there's some parallels there

Well, the parallel here is that you're making the same argument bullshit he made. There are other parallels that I've already commented on.Elsewhere. It's going to take a better argument for me to go over this again, at least so soon.

But isn't the truth here that you don't care about any of this, you're just mad that Biden humilated Daddy? Although, to his credit, Bernie doesn't seem humiliated at all.

>>>>hypothetically might become the worldx's greatest monster if conditions x, y and z and occur

Have you checked the news lately? What the fuck?

There may be some ethnocentrism involved in the idea that destroying the actual country that you're supposed to be running makes you less good at running a country. Maybe if Trump completely breaks the back of the American economy, subverts the democracy, and gets enough of us killed so that the US can't do any more global mischief, that will qualify him as BEST PRESIDENT EVER! That it is an unconventional argument, but I suppose it has merit.

Bush vs. Trump is a stupid tangent. I was never a fan of Bush, and Bush is not running.

For the lulz.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-consolidates-support-trails- badly-enthusiasm-poll/story?id=69812092

Time will tell, but I know how I'm betting.

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8 women have claimed he's a groper. Biden deserves the full Kavanaugh treatment.

Speaking of the NYT:

https://www.mediaite.com/print/ny-times-deletes-tweet-after-ou tcry-over-framing-of-report-on-allegation-against-biden/


Biden is senile, serial sexual harasser who'll bomb like Hillary did.

Ah, fuck you. Pardon me for being so easily trolled. I can't imagine Bernie Sanders not wanting to slap you silly.

I don't blame these guys for being frustrated, they're stuck inside like everybody else. I'm just going to do my best to ignore them. I didn't choose this; I didn't vote for this; I don't like this. I am not to blame for this.

But here we are. We have two things right now. We have reality, and we have the knowledge of how much worse things can get. Be helpful , or fuck off.

This is the kind of moral compromise people make in war. This isn't war, but it's about that serious. If Trump wins, and things become more desperate, expect bigger moral compromises down the road.

Trump was elected precisely because Obama/Biden didn't do diddly dick for the working class.

Biden is going to fail miserably because he can't match Trump's charisma & performance skills.


The Democrats need an FDR, not a Mondale.

You know who isn't trying to tear down Biden?

Warren supporters.

Klobuchar supporters.

Harris supporters.

Castro supporters.

Williamson supporters.

And so on. Really, the only people trying to tear down Biden are Bernie supporters. They're also the only people threatening to vote for Trump or sit out the general election if they don't get their way.

Those of you Bernie supporters who are trying to stop Biden or are entertaining voting for Trump: just admit that you're Republicans at heart. Yes you are exactly that shitty. And those of you Bernie supporters who understand the need to support the Democrats: could you at least try to keep your movement's assholes in line? You expect "good" Christians to stand up against the assholes, well the same thing applies to you. You're part of a deeply broken movement; try to fix it, or walk away and denounce it.

@ Bort

Huh? Me a Republican? No, I'm against needless wars in the middle east, segregation, touching women inappropriately, & all that other Neo-Liberal crap Biden got away with.

Creepy, sleepy Joe's voting record & horrid behavior will sink him.

His son is dead weight as well.

“Sleepy joe�

Yeah, quoting trumps insults totally doesn’t throw the republican shill warning flag.

Bort's still retarded enough to think Bernie supporters are all obstructionists even with the vast majority voting for Hillary vs staying home or writing in. Pillager and nominal and solro all vomiting the same myopic strawmen at each other. What's new?

You're not wrong. It's all about who's trolling and who's being trolled.

I'm now voting down all videos with "Biden" in the title. Not out of spite. It's a preventative measure, like washing my hands for 20 seconds.

"We found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Biden, beyond hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable."

Vote for Biden. That's your choice. It isn't going to play well in the Midwest or South.


Trump will be reelected because the DLC chose a lobotomized sloth for their 2020 election.

Biden's lurid past is hilarious to behold.

No one chose Biden you stupid entitled motherfucker.

Bernie lost the vote, get over it you dumb bitch.

Getting harder and harder to tell solro from bort these days

It sucks when I get too angry to proofread. Happening more and more

"You're never going to hear me defend Biden on this. You're never EVER going to hear me say "Well, maybe she's not telling the truth""

Don't fall for the fuckwits' game -- they don't care at all whether Tara Reade is telling the truth, only that she can be weaponized against Biden. Here is a rape victim talking about why she doesn't believe Tara Reade:

https://bravenewsblog.com/2020/04/13/im-completely-skeptical-a bout-tara-reade/

Here's a very important paragraph near the end:

"It happens. A woman will share her story and it will give us pause; many of us felt this way during the Duke Lacross Team Affair; we did not believe her. We were right. We felt the same during the Hofstra Affair, and once again; we were right. Neither time did my disbelief come from my perception of the young men involved, honestly, I didn’t pay them much attention. My disbelief came from the women and how they told their stories, and also how their stories changed over time. When you are raped there is only one story: The Truth. The truth never changes, it can’t. The truth does not bend to our will, and it is also never convenient."

Tara Reade's story has changed all over the place, including how she used to praise Biden for his efforts to combat sexual assault, until she developed a crush on Putin.

You have respect for rape survivors, but you know who doesn't? The people repeating highly questionable accounts simply because they hope to get some mileage out of them. And again, what is to be gained? They're trying to weaken Biden's campaign; why is that what they want? All it does is help Trump, and they're fine with that.