Pillager  - 2021-06-09
Deporter in chief part 2
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Crackersmack - 2021-06-09
remember when you just had to vote for these vile people because they'd at least be more humane to immigrants? good times
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SolRo - 2021-06-09 Still better than refugee camps on the other side of the border, kidnapping children from their parents and actively trying to make the origin countries even worse places to live.
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ashtar. - 2021-06-09
worst joi ever
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ashtar. - 2021-06-09 Oh, nm, the comments are messed up since I blocked that one guy.
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Hazelnut - 2021-06-09
Five stars for the Trump trolls still weeping
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Crackersmack - 2021-06-09 hey what matters is that you got to score points on people that you feel are beneath you, you really don't care about the children in cages and you never have
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Hazelnut - 2021-06-09 Why yes, you are still filtered: boring zero-credibility troll. How perceptive of you to notice.
If anyone else wants this very handy filter the instructions are in the comments of https://tinyurl.com/u3zsdd98
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Lef - 2021-06-11 Smack has a point. Kids still in cages.
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Miss Henson's 6th grade class - 2021-06-09
How we're handling it is something we can discuss, and asylum seekers are their own category, but as an elected official, what the hell choice does she have here?
I'm about as pro-immigrant an American as you can find: I'm the great-grandson of immigrants and live abroad. But even I realize that borders have to be enforced, albeit imperfectly, and humanely as possible. I've realized that I am simply too close, emotionally speaking, to the issue to think that I can really suggest where the line should be drawn, but I do think that there needs to be a line someplace.
We are a nation of immigrants, as are all countries in the Americas, and I think that it is important that we not forget that. Immigration is a net positive for the United States. But we shouldn't open the borders to everyone. The left should not let itself be pushed into impractical and untenable positions simply because Donald Trump was an anti-immigrant bigot and many of his biggest fans were, too. What to do about undocumented migrants is a tough question, but it's okay to tell people not to enter the United States illegally when you're the goddamn vice-president.
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Crackersmack - 2021-06-09 what choice do we have!? I thought we were making that choice last November; I was told over and over again by self-righteous centrists that the most important choice we were making was about immigration, and that I should put my own material needs on the backburner for that
step one: acknowledge that applying for asylum at the border is legal and make it clear that America welcomes refugees and will treat them with respect and compassion
step two: create a fair, humane, and expedient system for processing these asylum claims
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Hazelnut - 2021-06-09 Ghost stars for Miss H’s class. ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️
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Miss Henson's 6th grade class - 2021-06-09 I don't know what centrists told you that. I'm a lib, and I thought that the fundamental issue of the 2020 election was basic competence. That, and the COVID disaster, which might be one and the same. A lot of right-wingers keep talking about being "invaded on our southern border," but that's mostly xenophobic hyperbole.
I think I said that asylum seekers were their own category and would want too see them treated humanely their cases heard. But economic migrants are in another category. They can't be entirely prevented from entering, and it's likely that their presence keeps the US functioning to a significant degree. There is some unavoidable contradiction there, and not one that's specific to the US, either. I'd welcome a path to citizenship for long-term undocumented residents. But countries literally lose their reason for being if they give up even the pretense of controlling their territory, so, as welcoming and flexible as I'd like us to be, and as while borders aren't ever fully enforced, telling economic migrants to stay home is not some egregious violation. It is a basic function of the state.
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Crackersmack - 2021-06-09 the 2020 argument made to disillusioned Berners like me had nothing to do with "basic competence" (because not a single one of us would have bought that) but rather about ending what was purported to be the extraordinarily racist and discriminatory policy pushed by the Trump administration, specifically wrt immigrants, and forgive me for
and "economic migrants" is some rightwing shit, you could just drop that label on all of them and dismiss them, and that's the point of it
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ashtar. - 2021-06-09 If you don't have family here, and you're from the wrong country, you can't come legally. Full stop. The distinction between people doing it "the right way" or not breaks down in the face of there being no right way.
Especially since we JUST DID A FUCKING COUP in Guatemala and have been overthrowing their government and installing death squad dictators there regularly since the 50s.
This is a humanitarian crisis of our own making. 100% us; our fault people want to leave, our fault for not letting them in when they're not only harmless but beneficial. "Borders are good in a vague theoretical sense" is not a reason not to unfuck our shit expediently so that we can stop causing this real human misery.
Yeah, congress won't pass immigration reform. Biden et al could mostly fix this through executive action. They aren't because they don't want to.
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ashtar. - 2021-06-09 Also, if capital can move across borders freely, why can't labor? Kind of seems like a big advantage one has over the other?
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roscar - 2021-06-09 The funniest thing in these comments is the idea that Bernie Sanders would be doing anything differently than the current administration.
The saddest thing is thing is that people will honestly look at the current administration and not realize it's a vast improvement over the previous guy in virtually every way.
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Miss Henson's 6th grade class - 2021-06-10 Three responses, from what might be two people! I must of hit a nerve with you stupid, condescending motherfuckers.
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ashtar. - 2021-06-10 The number of refugees admitted into the United States is set by the President. They could just change it with the stroke of a pen. Make it thirty fucking million. Give me a reason not to. The defensive, contentless responses kind of make me think you can't.
We start at five. The fascist right turns the misery up to ten. The democrats turn it back down to seven. The cycle repeats. We start at seven. People get upset when this is pointed out because seven is better than ten, right? The fascist right turns it up to twelve.
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teethsalad - 2021-06-10 "Give me a reason not to. The defensive, contentless responses kind of make me think you can't."
i mean, ms h just did, but go off, i guess
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Pillager - 2021-06-10 Trump was mean when he told immigrants to stay out. Democrats said it nicely so that’s better.
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glasseye - 2021-06-10 "The saddest thing is thing is that people will honestly look at the current administration and not realize it's a vast improvement over the previous guy in virtually every way."
Incorrect.
The current administration is exactly the same as the previous guy in almost every way.
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ashtar. - 2021-06-10 No. You're mistaking vomiting up half digested conservative cliches for an actual substantive case for why we shouldn't let actual human beings whose country we've destabilized and against whom we've supported a literal† genocide* come to our country when there is literally† no good reason not to, and the president could just do it with the stroke of a pen.
"But we need to have borders" is not a meaningful response to this, it's an excuse to stop thinking about it.
* "A UN-sponsored Commission for Historical Clarification in 1999 concluded that a genocide had taken place at the hands of the US-backed Armed Forces of Guatemala, and that US training of the officer corps in counterinsurgency techniques "had a significant bearing on human rights violations during the armed confrontation"."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemalan_genocide
† the literal meaning of literally is intended here.
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glasseye - 2021-06-10 Also, if for some bizarre reason you value laws over human lives, you should recognize that arriving in a country and applying for asylum is LEGAL, and you do not have to do so at an arbitrarily located "official" border crossing.
Harris is just being cruel, just like Trump.
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glasseye - 2021-06-10 Yeah, the fact that we installed literal fascists and supported their murder sprees is just the icing on the cake.
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ashtar. - 2021-06-10 Yes, the could let in as many people as they want through executive actions. No congressional approval needed.
They aren't because they don't want to.
I mention the genocides because a) most people agree that you should remedy help harms that you caused and b) the reason this area is unstable is because we've been destroying it for 70 years. We have caused both the instability leading people to want to leave and set the immigration cap arbitrarily low purely because of xenophobia.
This isn't an immigration crisis, it's something we are actively doing *to* these people. It's like we shot a bunch of people and are standing in the hospital door kicking them in the teeth when they try to crawl inside.
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Crackersmack - 2021-06-09
*forgive me for pointing out that this turned out to be a lie
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teethsalad - 2021-06-09 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vndp94R6Eyg
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ashtar. - 2021-06-10
Here's an account of the actions of another neighboring government that we did an illegal coup to install:
December 10
On the afternoon of December 10, 1981, units of the Salvadoran army's Atlacatl Battalion, which was created in 1980 at the U.S. Army's School of the Americas,[6] arrived at the remote village of El Mozote after a clash with guerrillas in the vicinity.[7] The Atlacatl was a "Rapid Deployment Infantry Battalion" specially trained for counter-insurgency warfare. It was the first unit of its kind in the Salvadoran armed forces and was trained by United States military advisors.[8] Its mission, Operación Rescate ("Operation Rescue"), was to eliminate the rebel presence in a small region of northern Morazán where the FMLN had two camps and a training center.
El Mozote consisted of about 20 houses on open ground around a square. Facing onto the square was a church and, behind it, a small building known as "the convent," used by the priest to change into his vestments when he came to the village to celebrate Mass. Near the village was a small schoolhouse.
Upon arrival, the soldiers found not only the residents of the village but also campesinos who had sought refuge from the surrounding area. The soldiers ordered everyone out of their houses and into the square. They made people lie face down and searched them and questioned them about the guerrillas. They then ordered the villagers to lock themselves in their houses until the next day and warned that anyone coming out would be shot.[7] The soldiers remained in the village during the night.
December 11 and 12
Early the next morning, the soldiers reassembled the entire village in the square. They separated the men from the women and children and locked them in separate groups in the church, the convent, and various houses.[9]
During the morning, they proceeded to interrogate, torture, and execute the men in several locations.[10] Around noon, they began taking the women and older girls in groups, separating them from their children and murdering them with machine guns after raping them.[11] Girls as young as 10 were raped, and soldiers were reportedly heard bragging how they especially liked the 12-year-old girls.[12] Finally, they killed the children at first by slitting their throats, and later by hanging them from trees; one child killed in this manner was reportedly two years old.[13] After killing the entire population, the soldiers set fire to the buildings.
The soldiers remained in El Mozote that night but, the next day, went to the village of Los Toriles and carried out a further massacre. Men, women, and children were taken from their homes, lined up, robbed, and shot, and their homes then set ablaze.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Mozote_massacre
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ashtar. - 2021-06-10 Her standing there and saying that is monstrous.
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