Do you believe that the birth certificate that was produced in Hawaii is fake?

And there are no smart conservatives left. My neighbor Ron worked for Ronald Reagan in the State Department. Very smart, decent man, and a champion with scotch. He voted for Obama because the Republican Party has completely fallen apart.

I'm sure the birth certificate is real. The "birth certificate is fake" argument is just panicked, conservative, denial. I feel their pain, but you can't defeat Obama's agenda through with that nonsense.

Please tell me when Ron starts to regret his vote. I'm sure it won't take long.

Cena Mark you are the peerless king of POETV, and I mean that with no sarcasm or hyperbole.

"...it doesn't change the fact that he's destroying the economy."

Thank goodness for the previous administration's frugal spending and tight regulation on risky fiscal behavior, or we'd all be sacrificing our children to Ba'al by now.

It's only been a couple months. Jesus christ, let the man do what he can. I don't think you could do better.

Steampoweredkleenex: Yeah, yeah, I know Bush spent too much. But you forget, that if the Republicans will increase the size of the government and its spending then the Democrats will do it to a much greater extent.

Urburos: I know he's just arrived, but all he's done since arrive is confirm my reasons for not voting for him.
Reagan adopted a far worse economy in 81, but he fixed it. Yet Obama when presented with a similar scenario in 09 has done the complete opposite of what Reagan did. Obama has done nothing at all to encourage business, Obama has no faith in American business, and I find that disturbing.

Reagan didn't fix the economy in three months dude

Nah, things will be fine.

First off, know what you're talking about. What Obama is trying to do is this:

1. Perform the "Stress Test" which is really only serving to restore confidence to the American people that the banks aren't insolvent. It's not the fault of the administration or anything like that. People don't have confidence in the banks, and therefore aren't investing as much blah blah blah. The banks aren't lending out the money they have received, which is a problem, but this is mostly because people don't have confidence that their investments will be safe.

2. Dumbass Republicans like yourself are so frightened by the option of the government owning banks that the Obama administration has no option left but to give them money and attempt to restore investor confidence. Would a short term period of government ownership help the situation? Who's to say.

Basically, shut the fuck up.

Cena Mark: Then why did deficits balloon more under Republican presidencies than Democratic ones? The GOP's plank of "less government" and "fiscal discipline" is about as grounded in reality as claiming the Tooth Fairy as a party member.

I think the Republicans just don't like what Democrats spend government money on, so they perpetuate this myth that they spend more. At least you have to admit that social spending domestically gets you a return versus spending it all on military stuff that we either never use or sell to people that we have to then shoot at later.

"Obama has no faith in American business, and I find that disturbing."

Oh dude. Did you just go all Darth Vader on us?

"I find your lack of faith disturbing."

You rule, man.

Steampowered: Bush couldn't help much of the spending that went up during his presidency. He had a war on terror on his hands.
InnocentBystander: I assure you any coincidence my words have to Darth Vader's are strictly coincidental. I am not a Star Wars nerd, or any other nerd.

I'm pretty sure you qualify as a "wrestling nerd" which is a pretty sad kind of nerd to be

I think it's the dude in the red tie

Shit...didn't even realize someone else linked to exiled...but it is a diff link...so...yeah

Are you kidding? That first lady really shivered me timber.

The founding fathers would beat these people to death and rape their corpses due to them not being made of sugar-candy.

But what is it going to get them? It doesn't magically undo the election - all you'd get out of it would be President Biden and Vice-President Pelosi*, something that I'm sure the Freep crowd would find roughly as frightening.

At least the people bitching after the 2000 election had something worth griping about.

*or whoever else Biden gives the nod to. I'd say Vice President Barney Frank. That would be hilariously awesome. OKAY FINE YOU GOT RID OF THE BLACK GUY. HERE'S THE FAG.

it's objectively crackpot wingnuttery because despite having been shown evidence that their gripe is unfounded they continue to insist that it's not. refusing to give up your wrong beliefs in the face of evidence is crackpot wingnuttery defined

Then I guess it's a good thing we can look for empirical evidence to prove or disprove people's claims, and know things objectively.