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Desc:Refusing to waive your rights is suspicious activity that waives your rights
Category:News & Politics, Stunts
Tags:Rights, lucky, border patrol, detained, dick/patriot or both?
Submitted:IrishWhiskey
Date:04/18/09
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Comment count is 34
simon666
I think this guy is a dick-patriot.
Comeuppance
I want to punch him in the mouth and shake his hand.
I think he'd understand why.

Operation Cornflakes
If this guy wants to play Civil Liberties Superhero, he should learn a little about law first: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception
Cleaner82
That's funny, it seems to me he was neither searched, nor arrested for violating the law. So what are you implying exactly?

Operation Cornflakes
He refused to be searched on the grounds of his fourth amendment rights and them needing a warrant. They do not.

Enjoy
Hey dumbtits, he's not at a border. The suspension of the 4th ammendment is only for border searches.

FatFatuousNation
He wasn't on a border, champ. The exception doesn't apply.

bias
What exactly is this, if not a boarder? (ignorant Canadian here)

Jack Dalton
Yeah... the logic was somewhat of a stretch... if you are a border agent NOT on the border, you probably can't rely on that law.

I'd also like to note that these videos always end the same way: the cop looks irritated and defeated, and the driver leaves with an overblown sense of accomplishment. Don't get me wrong: it makes me happy to watch people stand up to the man, but this isn't the civil rights movement we are talking about here.

Cleaner82
Here is a question Cornflakes, it is very simple. It comes in two parts.

Are you saying this man broke the law?

If so, is it standard procedure for a government agent to deal with a criminal at a checkpoint by doing precisely nothing and letting them pass? Why do you think they did that? Do you believe that he was breaking the law, but he wouldn't come out of the car and so they had no recourse but to let him break the law? Is that your position?

Cleaner82
Okay, that was several questions. But I demand you answer them all.

Frank Rizzo
what scares me is that there really are people out there like Operation Cornflakes and they're perfectly ok with this shit.

5 for evil

IrishWhiskey
I believe he did technically violate the law, in that they asked him to provide identification when at a border stop within 75 miles of the border, and he did not comply.

Of course, several of the agents' statements and actions prior to that violated the law, and overall he did a good job of asserting his rights, which is always risky and hard to do.

halon
The ID thing was clearly an attempt at intimidation during an unjustified detainment. I'm not a new mexico lawyer though, so I don't know if that would serve as a mitigating circumstance had he been cited or arrested.

Operation Cornflakes
Well if he wasn't at a border then I guess its a moot point. I must have missed that part. Carry on.

Cleaner82
Aah, the ol' "refusing search is grounds for suspicion, which is grounds for a search" trick. Obviously they weren't very confident it would fly this time. Mr. Explanation there was pure evil, just wait for it, "I'm pretty sure you're a terrorist." *GRIN*

I like this guy. Maybe he's a dick, I could care less. He didn't crack, and they got pretty dire at the end. I have a mental image of him perpetually putzing around near borders and yelling at people in checkpoints. Like -- is that a mirage --? No it's that guy, he just kind of appeared from the ether to test the boundaries of the law.
Tuan Jim
We need dicks. Lots of dicks. Like this dick.


theSnake
If you want to be depressed read the comments of all the people calling him an asshole for not rolling his window down.

I have a lot of respect for what he did even if it was choreographed in advance.

Those agents went up against a citizen that knew his rights, and they tried to intimidate him at every opportunity. Pretty terrifying overall, imagine if this happened to you and you didn't know your rights.

The best/worst part was when the agent called him a Terrorist for being an informed American citizen. I hope there is more fallout form this videos publication, several of those men deserve to be relieved of their jobs.
halon
Sometimes to be patriotic, you have to be a bit of a dick.
I would give this guy a rights-five.
manfred
check out this guy's other videos - he is a 9/11 truther + a fundie nutbag
Cleaner82
Damn, and here I wanted to marry him.

IrishWhiskey
Not surprising. Sane people would realize that the best course of action for them is complying. But even if I disagree almost everything he says, I'll defend to the death his right to say it.

...okay, preferably not my death, but that's because I'm one of the sane ones.

boner
Have you watched this guy's other videos? He's a serious froot loop. You would cross the street to avoid talking to him.
BillFisto
Holy crap, stop saying "on my way".
Frank Rizzo
I hope you're joking

BillFisto
Can I leave? I just want to be on my way.

manfred
oh, btw

why are all the agents in this video so fat?
allcaps
FUCK YEAH! America wins again!

Against America!

Oh my GOD!

(where mah gun at?)
heyitslozeau
honestly? right or wrong he was acting like a twat, which can be easily argued as suspicion. If he had pulled over and not acting like a twat this fagdance could have been avoided. He was legally asked for many things which he thought wasn't fair. He's acting like a goddamn childish libertarian. Were the cops acting incorrectly? sure with some things. But acting like a twat makes it worse, not better in fact acting in what can be construed as aggressively is legal grounds for police to have probable cause or reasonable suspicion.

This doesn't help.
halon
Yeah, he's totally being suspicious by twattishly refusing to let them illegally search his car, thereby creating suspicion so they can search his car legally!

You moron.

Cleaner82
There's always a few people tarding these right up. Sweet Jesus this could not get more simple.

If he was so goddamn suspicious then why wasn't his vehicle searched? Here's an exercise. The next time you're pulled over by a cop, make them suspicious enough to ask you to get out of the car. Demand to know if you're being detained and refuse to exit the vehicle. Be sure to constantly ask him when you can be on your way. See how that goes. Chances are you're kissing asphalt within a couple minutes.

But these border patrol agents -- armed-- did nothing to force this man to comply. What does that tell you about who was in the legal right? Sure things would have been easier if he'd just submitted to a search -- he didn't want to, and as it turned out, he didn't have to. They had no legal basis to demand a search, so they tried to coerce him for awhile before folding. Which is nice to know. Thank you, crazy border checkpoint guy. You're welcome, internet moron.

bopeton
Guy's clearly crazy, but I think he was right on this one. I hate the idea of police being able to arbitrarily search me and my stuff, and make me show them identification. Unless I'm doing something specifically suspicious, don't even stop me. I've got places to be and time is money. Unless you want to pay my wages for the time I have to get detained for no good reason, let me be.
asian hick
So does he have the right to force them to repeat everything they say because he can't hear them?

I think this is a case of a stopped clock being right rather than him being any patriot or hero.
caged ant
Is this the same guy as the "Am I being detained" guy?

For being nuts, he's remarkably able to stay on topic.
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