If the Catholics and the Mormons agree on something, it is obviously incorrect.

They want to bring in some medieval policies; you'd think they'd have the guy forge some medieval weapons.

Yup yup yup.

And birth control. Granted most catholics use it, but that doesn't mean the government should spread it.

About 1/2 of American Catholics are pro-choice, they just aren't very political people. That is kind of changing right now... I don't think the Christian Right is really prepared to confront the "Christian Left," but it's a rapidly growing political force, and it's gonna get weird.

Man, weird is right.

http://www.thechristianleft.org/

The right is going to feed them to lions.

Well, a few weeks back, a bunch of nuns got yelled at by Vatican officials for working too much on poverty issues while not working enough on shutting down gay marriage. I don't think a lot of the deeply devout Catholics I know would be real impressed. Maybe I'll ask.

I grew up Catholic. Since its an authoritative organization no one challenges their ridiculous policies. I'd look around church and see how almost every family family had 1, 2, or 3 children, but no one would come up to the priest and tell him how stupid the church's stance on birth control was.
We'd sit through all the prolife nonsense. No one really cared, we just sat through whatever and were out in an hour.

The church is having a lot of issues with fewer people than ever volunteering for the priesthood, fewer donations, and tons of people dropping out of the church. But their solution is always to shame us, and kind of just whine about how we're not doing right by them. They never even consider the possibility that the problem might be their unwillingness to change.

I can't think of a more efficient way to get people to stop caring about Catholicism than to send them to Catholic school.

Christianleft.org is one thing but they only have 100,000 members or something, I'm thinkin' a little more old school...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Worker_Movement

The nuns and the Jesuits are the only people in the Catholic hierarchy who are worth two shits.

My mum is a Benedictine oblate... She was very involved in anti-war organization during the Bush years and continues to be involved in veterans issues. Her phone was tapped.

Topical:

We Are All Nuns
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/kristof-we-ar e-all-nuns.html?_r=1

My grandma got excommunicated for the unforgivable sin of divorcing her horribly abusive husband.
When she was on her deathbed, a nice ol nun pishposhed the idea and gave her final communion anyway.

Roundabout way of seconding that only the nuns are worth anything.

Many people don't know that the monastic orders don't have to do anything the Pope says, they exist in a paradoxical state that is both inside and outside of the Roman Catholic Church. This caused a lot of power struggles... The Vatican would routinely execute Jesuits, and the orders would return the favor.

It would all make a terribly good setting for an epic costume drama series on HBO.