|The Head of John the Baptist - 2012-05-04 |
I can hate it because it's intensely grating.
|Triggerbaby - 2012-05-04 |
Pretty much anything Vihart does is goddamn adorable.
check the comments on her last video, lots of people hated that one
|HarrietTubmanPI - 2012-05-04 |
I was thinking about this the other day when some Schoenberg was on the radio. Schoenberg put many mathematical patterns into his music (as did Hindemith) and the patterns were more important than tonal harmony and melodic lines. As such, even though to the untrained ear they might sound very dissonant and random, they actually are highly structured composers.
Of course, on the other hand, the human mind seeks patterns everywhere, and can make patterns of almost anything. For example, Berlioz came up with the story for Symphonie Fantastique AFTER it was written, and it's just as possible that composers like Schoenberg wrote random pieces of music and looked for the patterns later. I mean, if they did write something completely random and a bunch of academics found patterns in it regardless, would they really know whether or not it was on purpose?
Music is one of the best examples of the human mind finding patterns even when they may not really exist.
This clip and your comment reminded me of Doug Hofstadter's 'Godel, Escher & Bach' where he talks about strange loops, and in particular, Bach's nifty gimmick of constructing patterned fugues that suggest infinity. I don't think there was a question of Bach's intentionality or not, as it seems just too meticulously contrived to occur 'randomly' as you propose... unless he was a genius or something and could do that sort of thing intuitively, which is also possible I suppose.
Although I can't speak to Schoenberg or Hindemith, someone like John Cage (who employs 'chance operators') might be a good litmus test for the pattern recognition in apparent randomness vs highly structured order and the question of who can tell the difference, ears trained or untrained. But then again our tendency to identify something as 'random' usually means that the higher order governing the action and/or perception is obscure or as-yet-unknown.
PS:OMG dis clip suxxxx!!!
Radiolab did a really good episode on randomness and our tendency to seek patterns within them:
and this is why i come here,; you just learn'd me something. thank you not youtube
|Mr. Purple Cat Esq. - 2012-05-05 |
I usually find her really annoying for some undiscernable reason... But I watched this last night while massively stoned off my face and I *loved* it!! ... I didnt realize it was her also
|cognitivedissonance - 2012-05-05 |
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