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Binro the Heretic - 2012-09-19

I don't remember a sleigh pulled by giant rabbits in the book.

misterbuns - 2012-09-19

Jackson took The Hobbit as an opportunity to make a LORT prequel that goes far beyond the story of bilbo and smaug.

The trilogy is going to be an epic that incorporates stuff from the appendices and even the Silmarillion that documents the changes occuring all over middle earth during the time of bilbo's saga. Radagast, The Necromancer (who is actually an enfeebled Sauron) are going to be key players.

It doesn't actually break from Tolkien's world or the politics of middle earth, but it does depart from the quaint simple story of The Hobbit into something far far bigger.

will it work?

who knows?


i'll keep my faith.

misterbuns - 2012-09-19

er LOTR sry drunk

SteamPoweredKleenex - 2012-09-20

The sled looked pretty bad for modern CGI.

And I don't mind them adding in this other stuff. It hopefully prevents a Silmarillion movie. I could never get past the first fifty pages of that snooze-fest.

fedex - 2012-09-20

I think thats Bombadil in the sleigh and molesting the hedgehog

cognitivedissonance - 2012-09-20

No, that would be Radagast the Brown, the only one of the Five Wizards (besides Gandalf) who didn't fall to Sauron. We'll be spared the Blue Wizards because they went to an entirely different continent than Middle Earth and thankfully Tolkien died before he could spare a sentence about it, other than that they founded cults devoted to themselves.

Also, Master of Lake Town will be played by Stephen Fry, and will have a parallel role calling back to Denethor, much expanded from the character's few paragraphs.

I'm glad Gandalf is sticking to "Sword in the Stone" wizard rules and is apparently aging backwards.

cognitivedissonance - 2012-09-20

Also, that was a total example of mansplaining, and it's an unfortunate habit I have that I'm trying to stop. Sorry.

fedex - 2012-09-20

nay, nay, well done

fedex - 2012-09-20

and as I recall the only reason he didnt fall to Sauron was because he was such a tree-hugging hippy-dippy that he didnt really give a wet slap about much else and only helped Gandalf somewhat by accident... yes?

cognitivedissonance - 2012-09-20

Well, he also had a lot of contact with Tom Bombadil, living in his genius loci territory.

poorwill - 2012-09-20

Please don't ever use the word 'mansplain' again.

Caminante Nocturno - 2012-09-19

I truly do hope they have the Goblin song from the Rankin Bass version in this.

lordyam - 2012-09-20

i still remember being a little disappointed when the teaser with misty mountain came out and it wasnt from the cartoon.
ps im going lose faith if this doesnt have the dwarves singing the baggins song- tip the glass, crack the plates...

fedex - 2012-09-20

now, do you mean "where theres a whip theres a way" or the other song?

SteamPoweredKleenex - 2012-09-20

I like "The Wearer of the Ring," myself. It was the Imperial March for my childhood.

MagickPoultry - 2012-09-20

If "The Greatest Adventure" doesn't play over the opening credits, this movie will be a bust.

Jet Bin Fever - 2012-09-19

Thorin is slightly too good looking for my tastes. He should be the dwarviest of them all.

misterbuns - 2012-09-19

They look like a gay metal band. Not gay as in lame, gay is in a black metal band made of bears. Which would actually be far less lame than most black metal bands.

fedex - 2012-09-19

kind of a flaming Gorgoroth, if you will

deadpan - 2012-09-19

Five stars for The Hobbit and five stars for the evil of stretching this into a three-film money grab.

Anaxagoras - 2012-09-19

Yes, expanding a story to include relevant back story from the books is, definitely, evil. Doubly so if they create a visual extravaganza that's highly entertaining & has emotional resonance like the LotR trilogy did.

Truly diabolical.

StanleyPain - 2012-09-19

Yeah, "money grab" seems like the least applicable term to something like this.

Caminante Nocturno - 2012-09-19


fedex - 2012-09-20

these are for you Anax

misterbuns - 2012-09-20

The Medium is the Message. Huge scifi/fantasy films need to be franchised in today's film economy. I'd rather someone with an understanding of character and plot structure be in charge of conforming to studio demands.

no, its not like the original novel. yes, it might be amazing.

SteamPoweredKleenex - 2012-09-20

I'm still confused as to why they didn't include the Scorching of the Shire in the original trilogy. They had it happen in a vision someone had, so why not do it and give Christopher Lee a last hurrah?

poorwill - 2012-09-20

They pretty much have to squeeze this as hard as they can. There are three logos at the start of the trailer for a reason - licensing hell. Still, I hope they can make the best of it.

misterbuns - 2012-09-20

As an allegory for ww2 the scouring of the shire was an interesting idea in the novels; but novels can be paced very differently than films: especially immensely budgeted films where the stakes are very high.

I can't justify what the scouring of the shire would add to the films. Can you? They were already clocking in way beyond what american audiences will sit through to fit the main story lines in.

The essential purpose of the scouring bits were to let the hobbits really soak in the heroism they had gained during their journey: they come back home and kick ass. yes its fun, how does it serve the major themes and story of the film? it doesn't. is the film already too long? yes.

there you go.

Rudy - 2012-09-20

As long as the last film isn't fourteen hours of elves and hobbits and wizards saying their tearful goodbyes over an Enya soundtrack, I'm cool with it.

Paracelsus - 2012-09-20

I am probably going to like this way better than the other one.

Billy the Poet - 2012-09-19

Look, I hope it will be good, but there's not a terrible lot of peanut butter left in that jar.

Caminante Nocturno - 2012-09-19


Dinkin Flicka - 2012-09-20

Also, is no one going to shout out that this CGI is very SyFy??

misterbuns - 2012-09-20

What does that even mean? what sequences were you bothered by?

SteamPoweredKleenex - 2012-09-20

The sled was horribly composited over the forest, and there are several sequences that are pretty obvious greenscreen soundstages. I can't tell if that's different from previous films or if YouTube is to blame, but Bilbo doesn't really look like he's in Rivendell in a lot of those shots. I don't know if the color doesn't match up or there aren't enough imperfections, but it's pretty fake looking.

Nikon - 2012-09-19

I'm there.

fedex - 2012-09-20

I just realized this is gonna totally revitalize the entire subculture of "little people", whom, after this trilogy, will henceforth eschew that moniker and insist, once again, upon being called Dwarves.

CJH - 2012-09-20

didn't most little people hate LOTR for basically being midget blackface?

The Mothership - 2012-09-20

I didn't see a single fucking dragon. But at least they didn't write out Beorn.

lordyam - 2012-09-20

for what its worth the dragon doesnt show up until close to the end anyway, no woodelves either. but there were what look liked the goblins and trolls. i imagine the ending climax being saved from the trees by the eagles, but i dont remember seeing the eagles either but i may to watch it again

VoilaIntruder - 2012-09-20

For narrative purposes Peter Jackson omitted dragons in favor of some extended elf songs and shit.

misterbuns - 2012-09-20

the final act is going to be the battle of five armies, which is actually pretty epic (not a euphemism) and it way out of character with the rest of The Hobbit

Bard? Remember Bard?

Billy the Poet - 2012-09-20

It's a bad sign of how padded it's going to be that they have Benedict Cumberbund voicing the Necromancer and Smaug, and I don't think that he even shows up in the first movie.

fatatty - 2012-09-20

The title of the second film is The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug, so I think we'll get some dragon action at some point.

StanleyPain - 2012-09-20

I think three films is maybe pushing it with the Hobbit, adding in material or no, but I'm still looking forward to it. Presumably Smaug will not be making an appearance until the second film.

big pincers - 2012-09-20

no spiders? :(

lordyam - 2012-09-20

that doesnt happen until after beign saved by the goblins but before the getting captured by the elves. i starting to remember this story being a series of fuck-ups by the dwarves. i think i need to reread this thing

StanleyPain - 2012-09-20

It is...literally. Basically the dwarves think they know shit and then they keep screwing up and Gandalf has to stop important shit (like figuring out a way to stop Sauron) to come back and save them. It's kind of a funny book when you read it from that point of view of how it's basically a story about Gandalf having to constantly save the day.

fedex - 2012-09-20

your name/comment combo drew a snicker

Bort - 2012-09-20

This is the standard I'm holding Jackson to:


Lurchi - 2015-11-16

message from the future: it was all a complete waste of time

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