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The God of Biscuits - 2012-11-04

Actually, reading Shakespeare does make you speak in iambic pentameter. I had to go to speech therapy for that shit after we read Othello in English class.

Sanest Man Alive - 2012-11-04

Isn't there supposed to be an obvious strawman in these Xtranormal cartoons? Because I think they're both correct on certain points: homie on the right when he says you should learn about something for yourself and make your own judgement instead of getting all your opinions from others, and homie on the left when he says objectivism is fucking stupid.

SteamPoweredKleenex - 2012-11-04

Homie on the right seems to claim that reading something both does and doesn't change you. Also, I'd be very surprised if the person making this video had read everything they cited.

Also, I can see the damage objectivists have done (Alan Greenspan, for example) without having to plow all the way through Atlas Shrugged.

Bort - 2012-11-04

Seems to me that Ayn Rand's personal failings are a valid point of criticism in evaluating objectivism. Rand's cult-like circle doesn't discredit objectivism absolutely, but if the creator of a belief system is that bad at living up to its ideals, it suggests that the belief system is either bullshit or rife with internal contradictions. Or, best case scenario, the belief system requires strength of character its founder can imagine but not practice; it's possible that someone else will come along who's better at living the belief system. But in the case of objectivism there don't seem to be any role models we can point to even after all these decades, and that's a red flag.

poorwill - 2012-11-04

You don't need to get into any of this crap. The philosophy itself is just horribly flawed logically and its weaknesses are actually pretty easy to understand once pointed out. Which doesn't mean it isn't tricky to isolate the problems just that once they're known it seems super obvious.

Bort - 2012-11-04

I know I don't need to get into any of this crap, but the guy on the video made a point of saying it's fallacious to criticize objectivism by way of Rand's example. I say it speaks to the practicability of objectivism.

But even if it were practicabler, it still wouldn't prove that it's "right". I know Catholics who live their lives in a truly commendable way that I think Jesus would approve of, but that doesn't make Catholicism "right", nor does it change the fact that one has to decide what Catholicism really "is" in the first place and jettison the parts that don't fit that definition (feeding the hungry vs. keeping the spoils of Constantinople in the basement of St. Mark's vs. sheltering pedophiles).

Riskbreaker - 2012-11-04

Even a little kid could notice what a complete mess this ideology is.

kingofthenothing - 2012-11-04

Is it just me or did this seem like the most unlikely conversation any two people would ever have?

poorwill - 2012-11-04

Very much in keeping with Rand.

Urkel Forever - 2012-11-04

Needs a 'white people' tag.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2012-11-04

I don't need a reason not to read a book that weights twenty pounds by an author who never said anything that I find interesting.

StanleyPain - 2012-11-04

Actually, no....someone deciding Objectivism is crap based on other people's opinions does NOT validate Objectivism. This is a logical fallacy. You could argue that it invalidates the person's opinion to a certain extent, but it largely says nothing about Objectivism itself.

I'm assuming whoever made this video did it as a joke or something, but that the actual text is based loosely on real arguments which showcases the dumb fallacies Objectivists have to duck into when their belief system is questioned. Funny how people who consider themselves to be such staunch advocates of reason (and who commonly claim themselves to be atheists) use the same bullshit arguments that religious nuts do. "Rand said people would say these things about her, therefore Objectivism is correct."

SteamPoweredKleenex - 2012-11-05

But you're completely discounting the "if my opinion is being called wrong by so many people, it's because it's really correct" concept that's worked so well for other religious beliefs!

Oscar Wildcat - 2012-11-04

Five stiff throbbing ones for the guy manning whatever passes for Objectivist Headquarters these days, reading demographic reports and saying "How can we reach out to these young knee-groids in a manner which they can understand???"

Scrotum H. Vainglorious - 2012-11-05


bac - 2012-11-05

thats not the saul williams i know.

memedumpster - 2012-11-05

"You know, we used to get lynched for learning how to read."
"So what?"
"Well, this is an audio book, you don't have to read."

What the fuck is this saying!?

SteamPoweredKleenex - 2012-11-05

That the invisible hand of the market has provided a cure for lynchings, so the civil rights act can be repealed with a clear conscience.

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