The comments. The fucking comments.

Yeah, but he's Indian and girls have sky high standards. Even a good looking Indian like him is going to have to date these ugly girls thanks to female pickiness, white knighting, hypergamy, and other factors.

MrHav1k 13 hours ago

He goes to Cambridge. Every guy there is Indian and/or creepy, so TFL Logic doesn't apply.

Also I thought the whole point of being a PUA was learning the cheat codes that let play get-you-bone-on in god mode and get the HB-10s even though you're a regular looking dork.

It can also mean "hunny bunny", because some PUA's feel the term "hot babe" is demeaning and objectifies women.

www.pualingo.com/pua-definitions/hot-babe-hb/

Website also includes information on how to be a successful PUGay!

HB-5 Neutral "Most (not all) people would agree that she isn't 'ugly' but also not truly attractive. Multiple slightly exaggerated facial features or one somewhat exaggerated facial feature. Often (not always) unkempt, poor hygiene. Either clueless about fashion/looking good, or is so lazy that they put no effort into it (save special occasion) Possible BO. Often poor social skills."

If I recall correctly, a few years ago the same rational made them change it to "hot babe" from "hot bitch."

Maybe some day the most misogynistic PUAs will have all migrated to MRA and TFL and it will actually turn into the "overly mechanistic dating tips for overly mechanistic people" thing that its less offensive defenders always try to paint it as. I'm not holding my breath on that one though.

The Great Schism.

Of course, without the misogny, they couldn't really call their community "PUA", since then it'd be nothing more than "Dating tips for socially clueless nerds". They need the sheen of sexually predatory alpha masculinity in order to keep their brand image intact.

When I first heard about this stuff I'm pretty sure the mainstream opinion was that anything below 7 didn't qualify as "HB" at all, and that prefix was only supposed to be used in the 7-10 range. Which in purely semantic terms is a valid point I suppose. Can't even keep their creepy objectification combat system internally consistent.

I'm trying to remember what one of the older, Mystery-period guys (might have been Mystery himself, I forget) was calling it a couple years ago around when I was submitting those PUA convention videos.

THE VENUSIAN ARTS!

That's it!

He'd grown up enough that he was obviously starting to get a bit more perspective on the creepy aspects of what he was teaching people but it was his career so he couldn't actually renounce it. So he started calling it The Venusian Arts and rejected the term "seduction" because IT'S ALL ABOUT THE LOVE, MAN.

I'm pretty sure that was either Mystery or that student of his who ripped off his material after he had one of his big breakdowns and couldn't keep his business running.

PoE has fucking ruined me.