Incidentally, if you want to get a dog off of an animal you don't lightly tap it on the nose, while helping it pull the animal apart, like these morons. You grab it by the hind legs and violently pull them up. Break them if you have to.

ocean beach in san fran has a law that dogs should be on leash at all times because they kill wildlife, some wildlife that is endangered. there's no law to put cats on leash because cats can't be put on leash. Pitbulls, who may not have a "lockjaw" but DO have a bite that is thousands of times stronger than other common breeds (fact), really should only be owned by people who have been licensed with at least a basic training course, and should be on leash in public at all times.

If you want to let your dog off leash in public, get a fucking dog who isn't a killing machine.

I have a dinky little dog, and I rarely let her off leash (she used to be in a doggy play group that allowed it). It's safer for the wildlife and for her.
Is that guy gonna have to pay for this? Most beaches have leash laws.

When we were learning about k9 anatomy my lifedrawing instructer told us about how dogs can't move their front paws to the sides, only back and fourth because while they have shoulder blades similar to us they don't have a color bone. He told us that his grandfather faught in WWII and they trained soldiers to know that if a dog was jumping at you in a trench you take it's from legs and just crank them sideways to the outsides of the dogs body and you'll break it's arms and separate it's rib cage at the sternum. Just, you know, FYI.

I think some municipalities have been trying to find ways to deal with the cat situation, actually. Areas with endangered birds are seeing populations decline because of cats. But cats don't hurt people, so they don't get a lot of attention. Cats are more of an invasive species than a safety threat.

I am fully against having dogs off-leash outside of designated off-leash parks. Even if your dog is perfect, it could still be hit by a car or attacked by an animal or just wander off after a smell.

@James : Huh. Just like cracking a lobster open. Thanks for the tip!

A pitbull once bit and wouldn't let go of my dog's head when he was a puppy at the dog park. My dog was screaming while the pit's owner just stood there and gawked. When I got to the dog, I tried to pull it off by the scruff of its neck, but it didn't respond.

Fortunately, there was a friend there who was an off-duty animal control officer, and she grabbed it by the scruff of its neck, twisted and wrenched it as hard as she could, and it finally let go. That's interesting advice about fucking with the back legs. Seems like it would be effective, but the dog would probably let go only in order to turn around and bite you.

I dunno about pulling the front legs apart. Seems like if you could get to the dog's front legs, then it's jaws could get to your neck. I guess it's a last resort type of thing.

This is not a "pet killing a smaller animal" you ignorant tard. If my pet had a seal by the neck and I said "drop it" he would obey and dropped the seal. Oh, also, my pet doesn't have Jaws of Steel so the seal would have been just fine.

Is there anything more annoying than a pitbull defender? Fact: pitbulls kill more people than any other type of dog by a large margin. That's fact you annoying twats.

One of the neighborhood cats attacked a crow. Not sure if she killed it, I wasn't there. But the crows came after her in droves, I'd say like 30 or 40 at once every time she'd go outside. Nature has its way. I had a standard poodle when I was a kid who was excitable enough as it is but also weighed about 100 pounds, much bigger than your average standard poodle I believe. I was about 14 but didn't weigh much more than him and was taking him for a walk down by the Sandy River. If you don't know the Sandy River, it's pretty turbulent. By this point Charlie knew not to go after the ducks, even though he was wired to do so, because they would fly away. Charlie tried it a lot and the ducks got their revenge. Anyway same river, he jumps in after a Nutria who he couldn't catch but nearly drowned me as I got caught up in the leash. I'm a good swimmer (I was lifeguard at the time) so I was easily able to swim us back to shore. I also found out that day what a Nutria was. There were plenty of people around who were more than willing to help me and a few of them jumped in.

The guy standing up there yelling "drown him, he'll swim back to shore" is a fucking prick in every sense of the word. In the Nutria's case, no problem. They're like "Water Rats" to most people (I think they're cute) but a baby seal oh no. You throw that dog out into the waves, he will not come back, and then you have two dead animals. If they wanted to save that baby seal they could have.. I don't know.. jumped down five feet, turned off their stupid fucking phone and helped try to pull it off. My life was actually saved when I was about 5 by a guy who was taking pictures at the Oregon Coast. I was climbing a rock and fell into the ocean, and couldn't keep up. Nobody saw me except for the guy taking pictures. He jumped into the ocean, sacrificing his camera and helped pull me to shore. I probably wouldn't have drowned but I was swept under a number of times. My parents offered to buy him a new camera but he refused.

He could have just sat there taking pictures with captions like "this is why parents shouldn't let their children climb rocks unsupervised." He didn't.

I've never owned a pitbull but I've lived with or around them. I've found that the "drop it" thing doesn't really work if they associate it with a toy. The one I'm thinking of was actually a rescue fighting pitbull who we'd let run around the store. Was really good at behaving behind the counter, towards customers (even small customers who were much smaller than her) If I accidentally dropped something like a bottle of soda she'd go after it and yeah. "Abby drop it." Now sit. Good girl. Her toy however was one of those ropes and holy shit just try to take that away. Shapewise, a baby seal on the shore and a rope toy don't look that different. I dunno. There are no winners here. Just wish those guys would've tried to help instead of filming it :(

This pup on pup violence can't be solved in a day after all.

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Why the fuck do you think going up to a strangers pit bull and fucking with it is a good (or safe) idea? I wouldn't get involved with any dog over 20lbs in that situation.

Check out the video that just came out of the hopper with the lady being attacked by two dogs. That's why.

Oh shit. I should have recapped. In this case the dog is clearly out of control and dangerous.

I was helping my ex-gf dogsit her boss' two black labs while they were in mexico or something. They were nearly identical but one loved me and the other one barked and snared his teeth at me like he was going to attack me. He came close to biting me several times but not sure if he was going to. It was enough for me to lock them in the house for the night and me to sleep outside in a sleeping bag, with the fear that Bodhi would attack me in my sleep. They also nearly pulled me off the side of a cliff on a hike.

Pitbulls have a reputation for violence, but you could say the same for different ethnicities of people too. I think the Simpsons said it best with the Elephant episode. Some creatures are just jerks.

"why must I be like that, why must I chase the cat? Nothing but the dog in me!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull#Attacks_on_humans

Zurf speaks the truth. The breed plays a huge role in this, because humans selectively bred these animals to be aggressive and to have powerful jaws that could lock on to things.

"We have to ban GLOCK handguns because GLOCK handguns kill more people than any other! Why, they're even DESIGNED to kill people!"

Really, guys. Think it through.

Dogs and guns are not necessarily analogous... if 50% of all injuries caused by misfires or guns blowing up in your hands was by Glock handguns, then obviously it would make sense to ban or restrict that gun. Why? because the data suggests that the nature of the design of the gun causes unnecessary danger. Same thing goes for pitbulls. The data shows the nature of the biological design of the animal is unnecessarily and disproportionately dangerous.