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Hooker - 2014-10-27

So, can someone explain this meme to me? Because, I haven't been following this shit at all.

Caminante Nocturno - 2014-10-27

SJWs are desperately trying to discredit Gamergate while just as desperately (if not moreso) trying to convince themselves that the movement isn't a legitimate threat to their agenda.

oddeye - 2014-10-27


TeenerTot - 2014-10-27

An "agenda?"

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2014-10-27

SJW Master plan:

1. Discredit Gamergate, by convincing the public that they're all a bunch of smug, entitled manbabies.

2. Convince the public that Amanda Bynes is crazy, Justin Bieber is an arrogant douche, and Barak Obama is black.

3. ????

4. Profit.

SJWs own Holllywood, control the banks, and killed Jesus.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2014-10-27

GamerGate is definitely a threat to the "Don't harass women on the internet." agenda.

SolRo - 2014-10-27

Why would these nebulous "SJWs" need to discredit gamergate?

Just feed GG the rope they're hanging themselves with.

magnesium - 2014-10-27

No matter your opinion on whether or not Anita Sarkeesian is hiding under our beds, waiting to steal our video games, I think we can all agree that the existence of GamerGate is objective proof that millennials have no real problems.

fluffy - 2014-10-27

Why am I not surprised that Caminate Nocturno has shitty opinions about this stuff?

Spit Spingola - 2014-10-27

I remember when this mess started it took me forever to figure out what the fuck SJW stood for. Basically a bunch of trolls from 4chan who think videogame journalism has a pro-feminist bias hooked up with Breitbart.com and other right wing groups and now have talking points and are playing hardball politics to stop free indie games.

Spit Spingola - 2014-10-27

SJW stands for "Social Justice Warrior"

Hazelnut - 2014-10-27

Pretty sure thinking that women are human beings makes me a Social Justice Warrior, a white knight, a mangina, and (worst of all) a b-b-b-beta.

fluffy - 2014-10-27

At the most recent GeekGirlCon I picked up a full set of Social Justice character class pins. Now on my backpack I proudly have the Social Justice Wizard and Social Justice Bard pins (I'm dual-classing).

Hooker - 2014-10-27

Okay, but Caminante passive-aggressively whining aside, could someone, in all honesty and truthfulness, explain what this shit is all about? All I can glean is that gamers are upset about women (what else is new?) and they seem to making their last stand and doing a bad job of it. But, I've been waiting for this to happen for some time now and I feel like I'm missing it, so I'd love to be brought up to speed.

The Great Hippo - 2014-10-27

The explanation: Some woman produced some game that got reviewed by some journalist. The woman's ex made a blog post about how she had cheated on him with said journalist, implying it had been in exchange for a favorable review. This turned out to later probably be bunk (the proposed timing doesn't work).

Either way, the woman got flooded with death-threats, etc; this prompted a discussion about women in gaming culture -- which prompted several female gaming journalists and developers to step forward with their stories of also being demeaned, dismissed, and threatened (which prompted *another* barrage of death-threats).

So, it's lead to this tussle between people who think this is about the gaming culture's inherent misogyny (plus its tendency to threaten women who question its misogyny with rape and death) and people who think this is about 'ethics in gaming journalism'. Hence the meme; slap 'Actually, this is about ethics in gaming journalism' on anything and everything as a way of mocking the people who still think this is about ethics in gaming journalism.

I mean, ethics in gaming journalism is a discussion that should happen, maybe? But I care a lot less about people reviewing games fairly than I do about people threatening the women who play, make, and review those games with rape and death.

But I dunno; apparently, having a problem with death and rape threats makes you an SJW. Here I thought it just made you a reasonably decent person. Oh well; live and learn.

Hooker - 2014-10-27

Thank you, Hippo.

I disagree that a discussion about "ethics in game journalism" is something that should happen. There are no ethics in other entertainment journalism and it doesn't hurt them. There's hardly any in sports journalism and sports marches ever forward. But like someone else on here said recently, there's a big difference between journalism and product reviews.

fluffy - 2014-10-27

They also have a steaming hate-on for Anita Sarkeesian because she had the nerve - THE NERVE - to point out that games tend to treat women as disposable, objectified props and hardly ever even allow them to show their own agency, much less be a reasonable protagonist.

Their responses are always "Look at these three or four games with decent female protagonists!" or "You don't HAVE to murder these strippers to finish the game even though the game rewards you for doing so." Then they call her a lying cunt.

SolRo - 2014-10-27

I'll just go balls-deep right off the bat with;

And the holocaust was about bank reform.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2014-10-27

That was a timesaver.

But you understand, of course, that the vast majority of Nazis didn't actually commit genocide, and judging all Nazis according to the minority that actually committed genocide is just strawmanning... or something.

Yellow Lantern - 2014-10-27


Jet Bin Fever - 2014-10-27


fluffy - 2014-10-27

for this thread

Hazelnut - 2014-10-27

Reminds me of the people you hear say with a straight face that the American Civil War was about taxation and states' rights.

Come to think of it probably some overlap there.

STABFACE - 2014-10-27

Dude, the Venn diagram is a single fuckin' circle.

SteamPoweredKleenex - 2014-10-27

And Voter ID laws are all about stopping fraud.

StanleyPain - 2014-10-27

When I beat my girlfriend unconscious, it's really just me voicing my concerns about how the industry she's involved in has become so corrupt.

Binro the Heretic - 2014-10-27

Have they actually uncovered any corruption in games journalism yet?

That guy - 2014-10-27

only the kind they're not looking for

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2014-10-27

They generally seem to think so. It helps that they believe any lurid rumor, don't trust the media, and don't seem to know what "ethics" actually are. Someone discovered a message board that journalists from different publication use to communicate and that was taken as evidence of some kind of collusion. Because journalists from competing sites aren't supposed to talk to each other. Why? No one really knows.

And the way they complain about the games media "attacking their own readers" like it's some kind of scandal makes you wonder if they believe that not kissing their asses is some kind of violation of professional ethics.

SteamPoweredKleenex - 2014-10-27

They're obsessed with sex being traded for reviews (which didn't happen) but only the vagina side of the equation (because they can't get any) and anything that even remotely sounds like someone else getting sex for something involving video games.

They completely ignore AAA-game companies basically buying reviews via ads, payola, swag, etc. because THAT'S not about those evil vaginas they can't seem to persuade to be in their vicinity.

Caminante Nocturno - 2014-10-27

It was revealed that games journalism and the indie gaming scene are full of crazy people and jerks, but that was less 'uncovering' and more 'murderer screaming a confession in the courtroom.'

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2014-10-27

I think the legal term for that is "Not a Crime" so that's a "No".

Caminante Nocturno - 2014-10-27

They wouldn't capitalize it like that.

fluffy - 2014-10-27

Also somehow a reporter opting to fund the Patreon/Kickstarter/etc. of a games developer they enjoy the works of to be "corruption," because that's totally how payola works.

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