Deploy the bouncer.

there would be fewer public assholes if people would just kick each other's asses once in a while

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdIARGRMrk4

Zircon spotted the reference!

When I get an echo in my headset, it makes it impossible to talk.

I think this would work.

a punch to the throat also works

That device exists:

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/120583-new-speech-jamming -gun-hints-at-dystopian-big-brother-future

HA! Does it actually work or is it still being developed?

I remembered someone talking about making such devices a while back. They were inspired by the way some singers have to wear sound-cancelling earbuds when they sing the national anthem at a stadium because of the slight delay in the public address system. A lot of people end up singing "Oh say can you seeeee by the dawnzurlilylied whuwhusso prowowdly..."

And I remember a local radio contest where contestants had to wear headphones and recite some written promo for the station. Because of an almost imperceptible delay between what they said and what they heard, they ended up sounding like drunks with a stutter.

You can't just kill a cow and eat it!

Beef has to age properly!

It has plenty of time to age once I've pooped it into my toilet.

Enjoy your tough odd-flavored steak, then.

YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A DELICOUS CAT.

I've made that argument too, and have said that once we start farming humans for human (and animal) consumption, then I'll start eating meat again. As a vegan I don't disagree with the guy, but this isn't the way to do it. It's like people who collect vinyl. It's hard to think about all the natural resources it takes to make a record and the carbon footprint. But I don't see people going into record stores and doing stuff like this.

"Okay, Cletus, it's your turn to slop the tigers" will never be spoken in America. We only eat helpless life, like plants and the 1% of animals so dumb we can catch and keep them.

The amount of resources that go into that vinyl are basically zero, insofar as it was made decades ago and they have already been consumed and will stay consumed whether I get pleasure out of it or some jackoff throws it in a landfill, so I opt for the former.

Serious question, though, if a leather jacket will stay in basically new condition for 40+ years is that not arguably more ethical than buying some kind of petroleum based synthetic blend that will fall apart in a couple of winters? Because good luck fining a coat that's a natural fiber AND warm and isn't wool (since wool is also not vegan). Not trying to be a dick, it's an issue I've thought about for a long time.

Related, what about the radical vegans who came in to the thrift store where I worked a long time ago and slashed up a bunch of 19th century fur coats? I know they "perpetuate fur culture" or whatever but those minks died a hundred years ago and the only thing of value that came from their deaths was those functional garments that were destroyed. On top of the fact that they for all intents and purposes robbed a nonprofit organization that was providing care and social support to HIV patients of over 0. I really can't see anything other than ignorance and reactionary ideology in a gesture like that.

Or what about when a friend of mine was living in a cooperative house and one of the members was a radical vegan who refused to allow the house to compost because "worms would not naturally be living in a compost bin in the basement ergo it is cruelty to animals."

I've got no love for the meat industry and even my very modest meat consumption is something I'm conflicted about (plus it's kind of gross) but so far I haven't seen anything to convince me that ideological veganism is any better.

A very disproportionate number of vegans I've met have diagnosed eating disorders, to. Every diagnosed male anorexic I've known was a strict vegan.

DEEP THOUGHTS

I'm sure it goes without saying that I'm not attacking your veganism specifically, IZ, but the vocal, recationary fringe represented by this video.

"Fighting X culture" activism never solves more harm than it causes.

Remember when Berkeley protested meaningful injustices?

They still release new vinyl because there's still demand for new vinyl, and the resources that go into new vinyl are obviously not zero, so that's a silly thing to say. It's a small niche market without much of an impact, I'm just saying.

Xenocide's comment made me laugh.

People say this as kind of a troll or a jokey thing all the time, but ideological veganism is still just a more selective form of speciesism. People don't see it that way because plants don't think in the same sense we do, but neither do cows or chickens or pigs. The obvious counter to this argument is that we don't *need* to eat meat. My counter-counter is that we don't *need* to bear children or to continue living, but we do because we prefer it that way.

I guess what I'm saying is that it has always seemed kind of an arbitrary line to draw to me, which wouldn't bother me at all except nobody is willing to admit it.

Yeah I hope this guy gets a steak in his face. On my brother's birthday we went to this fancy place (it's called Beast if you're curious) that is pretty much meat porn: like, the website has photoshoots of the two hot owners posing with meat carcasses. Anyway I guess nobody thought about me.. Whatever, it's not my birthday right? And the menu is a set one, no changes. So basically I'm panicking.. Like "shit.. A good 50 dollar meal that I can't eat?" So, embarrassed, I mentioned that I was vegan. And they were so cool! They ordered out from a nice vegan friendly restaurant and didn't charge (although what I had was probably cheaper, but still).. Anyway they could've laughed and judged me and told me I was wrong, and instead they did what humans do: be kind and respect one another even if they do things differently. Damn soy's made me a hippy

I like the part where he says the animals are being killed "right behind us." Because that's how restaurants work. They get a shipment of live cows every morning and the cows just kind of hang out until someone orders a steak.

Would you like the lobster, sir?

Actually, something like that happened to me once. But I was in the middle of the Bolivian jungle at the time.

I got to choose my own plump guinea pig from display cages at a restaurant in Peru.

Cui, if that's how it's spelled? I was offered some, but said no. They looked like chicken wings.

It's true. The civil rights movement really gained a lot of momentum when MLK stormed that Bob's Big Boy and gave everyone that what-for.

You still look fat to me, buddy.

I know a few fat vegans. Or maybe they're more "doughy" than fat, but you get the idea.

I've known plenty of fat vegans and plenty of severely underweight vegans, but only a handful of healthy vegans. It's pretty challenging to actually maintain a healthy vegan diet in the USA.

I'll have you know that I now wash myself with a rag on a relatively smaller stick.

That song is full of important and timeless messages. It's how I learned Dave was on sale again.

Most "clownish activist" types like that come from upper middle class families and are supported/spoiled by their parents. They forever act out their "fuck you mom and dad!" hissyfit against others with their smug condescending protesting while acting completely entitled to everything.