But did they do it, or did they not do it?

Wikipedia doesn't have much in the way of information on these guys; certainly nothing directly incriminating. Yes, they lost their court case, but it was for non-appearance, not for actually being found guilty of abuse.

The things Gen Jim says aren't much help, either. I'm not sure what he's trying to say: at times, it sounds like he's denying that the events which Ms Schmierer accused him of ever took place. At other times, it sounds like he's denying that the events were *abusive* - like, sure, maybe we beat you violently, but that's not "abuse", that's God's love made manifest.



Anyway, their deconstruction of the word "cult" is pretty good; like "brainwashing" or "fascism", it's a pretty contentious term, vaguely defined and used mostly as a rhetorical pejorative, rather than as a technically accurate description of a thing. Also, it's neat seeing what became of those old hippie Jesus Freaks.

Still not sure if you're desperate for attention of just a chat bot

I piked that up from an article referring I guess to the wiki entry. I too would like to know what the actual charges are and what happened to them.

They should do a "Dancing Outlaw" movie based on them.

SOLRO MAD. SolRo not know what SolRo mad at, BUT NEVERTHELESS, SOLRO MAD.

Meatsack - yeah, they seem like a fascinating cult. Every little tidbit I learn answers nothing, and raises more questions.

In which EvilHomer repeats his classic dictio ex natibus fallacy.

Perhaps he can add some footnotes: http://aggressivechristianity.net/articles/The%20Other%20Side%20of %20the%20Story.htm

Oh my god, Hazelnut, that's great. He's going to go insane looking for that on wikipedia's logical fallacy list, then accuse you of it later without knowing what it means.

That link reads like Scientologists wrote it.

Damn. That is some 90s web design goodness.

Hazelnut, I'm sorry if I offended you, that really wasn't my intention, but ad hominem IS what you were doing. Again, it's one thing to address an argument, and quite another to ignore the argument and just jump straight to personal attacks.

Please accept my apology.

I especially shouldn't have called you a shit. You were being a jerk, but it still wasn't right of me to say such a hurtful thing to you, even to illustrate a point, and I feel terrible for doing so.

Honestly, I was up for like an hour thinking about it.

You used to send off for Crazy Christ literature too?

I wish I still had my catalog where you could order a stick to beat your wife with.

It was a cheap hobby way back when. Rapture postcards are still the most versatile of crazy Christian offerings:

http://prewrathrapture.com/the_rapture_index_is_spiking/

Dr. Bronner, of course, was not Christian, and I wrote him with a level of genuine respect. Sure he was nuts, but a well-meaning nut. And the soap remains great, long after the good doctor's passing. Anyway, Dr. Bronner sent me all the available soap labels, plus an open letter to Reagan and Gorbachev, and an open letter to Dr. Ruth Westheimer (then-famous sex therapist). Seems Dr. Bronner didn't approve of homosexuality, because, how did he put it ... ? As close as I can recall: "For when Boo Boo, our male cat, sexed Tom Tom, our other male, Tom Tom fled frightened-embarrassed and ran away to die." What further evidence could you want?

Oh my false and heathen gods, The Rapture Index.

The Rapture Index.

http://www.raptureready.com/rap2.html

The Rapture Index.

Notice point 39 has no description, implying that its existence is cause for alarm.

Oh no, wait, I found it.

http://www.raptureready.com/rap7.html

But still, The Rapture Index.