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StanleyPain - 2015-07-28

Or you could save yourself a shit-ton of work and just get a VST for something like Fruity Loops.

Hooker - 2015-07-28

What emotion am I supposed to feel about this, OZ?

Oktay - 2015-07-28

Bemused disdain

Old_Zircon - 2015-07-29

It's just a companion piece to the "GXSCC is not 8-bit!" video, to enrich your experience of the chiptune nerd drama.

Old_Zircon - 2015-07-29

Basically, on the one side you have purists who are raging about people watering down some ill-defined standard that makes THEIR software's NES emulation* LEGIT but this guy's software POSEUR. On the other hand you have people who download midi files of existing game music, load them into a chiptune player, render them as audio, and then upload it to Youtube as remixes. It's a bit like Deviantart tracing drama, actually.

*As far as I can tell most of the people who are mad about this use Famitracker, and while it's POSSIBLE to play music from that on a real NES if you have a backup unit to put it on RAM cart, I kind of doubt most of them are actually doing that.

EvilHomer - 2015-07-29

So if I've understood this properly, the debate over GXSCC is basically as follows:

"That's not 8-bit!!!!"
"They are not real 8-bit file, but they sound real authentic and cool, so PHHHBT, whatever."

I don't know. This Mr Uku fellow is a little on the chubby side, but he has much cooler hair than the other dude, so I guess Mr Uku's the one I should be listening to?

memedumpster - 2015-07-29

Listen to your heart, even if it's a fatty.

StanleyPain - 2015-07-30

Some of these angry nerds DO have a kind of a point. The NES (which is the sound chip most imitated by "retro chiptune" type artists) only had something like 4 or 5 channels to work with, but clearly a lot of these artists are using more, so on a technical level, it doesn't sound as genuine.

But apart from that, I don't understand who gives a shit about HOW an artist gets the sound.

This reminds me of the early 90s when "virtual analog" synths were beginning to emerge; digital synthesizers that emulated the sound properties of old Moogs and ARPs and such. There was this huge debate about how it doesn't sound the same, it's unethical to use them and claim it's analog, blah blah blah.
Who fucking cares if it sounds good.

chumbucket - 2015-07-29

When you get to the whatever site just click "I Agree"

fluffy - 2015-07-29

Personally I'm just annoyed at how these "automatic chiptune" things don't even try to do any of the tricks that were required to get more apparent voices out of a limited sound chip, like arpeggios and rapid instrument switching.

Well, that and it's fucking lazy.

The fact that people are ranting about this being "8-bit" or not is stupid though. They are analog circuits, the register/bus size of the controlling CPU has nothing to do with the sound, and there were WAY more sound chips than the one in the NES that all sound completely different from each other.

Anyway, personally I make my chiptuney stuff in Logic using chiptuney VSTs rather than anything that the original hardware would be capable of. Making a "legit" chiptune (as in something that sounds identical to what it would sound like on a real NES or C64 or whatever) is something I do occasionally but to me that's not as much fun as just making new stuff that's heavily inspired by the sounds of my childhood. (And when I do stick to a constraint I'm still doing it in Logic instead of FamiTracker or whatever, because I'm not a complete masochist.)

So for example it's the difference between http://junk.sockpuppet.us/covers/salt.mp3 and http://music.sockpuppet.us/track/deer-drinking-from-the-catacomb-s tream

fluffy - 2015-07-29

oh wait http://music.sockpuppet.us/track/feed is a better example of a chiptune-inspired not-actually-a-chiptune.

Old_Zircon - 2015-07-29


Gmork - 2015-07-29

A few games used this sound set to make decent music. A few.

So glad games eventually got the ability to use real music, even if it's terribly mis-used by the actual creators of games.

EvilHomer - 2015-07-29

Number of 8-bit chiptunes remixes on Youtube: about 97,800.

Number of Myth OST videos on Youtube: 90.

memedumpster - 2015-07-30

I don't get it either. I can't even pay an NES game now, the music is unlistenable. I can only assume lead or autism mutagen in the water created this phenomenon.

EvilHomer - 2015-07-30

The NES had extremely rich, earthy tones; it sounded superior to all other products of the era, and as evidence of this, one need only look to its continued use by the internet's massive chiptunes community, well outstripping all other 8 and 16-bit devices! It is the Fender Stratocaster, or the Roland JP-8000 of its genre.

You don't necessarily have to like it, on the grounds that musical enjoyment is a largely subjective experience, but facts are facts.

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