That's the title of the video, put there by Reuters.

Or are you one of those idiots that says anyone criticizing Israeli war crimes is a jew hating nazi?

Israel doesn't commit war crimes.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.662389

Note the language: "Hinted", "evidence", "question". Not "proven", "demonstrated", "convicted". These are merely allegations of war criminality, not actually proof of war criminality.

Note the following passages:

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"extensive use of weapons with a wide kill and injury radius. ***Though not illegal,*** their use in densely populated areas is highly likely to kill combatants and civilians indiscriminately."
~ the authors admit flat out that this is not a war crime, yet they still bring it up.

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"its report on Operation Protective Edge, finding evidence that both Israel ***and Hamas*** committed war crimes during the war in the Gaza Strip last summer"
~ why are people so quick to ignore Hamas' role in all this? The report alleges that BOTH sides are guilty of war crimes. BOTH. Yet all the focus is on Israel; why?

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"The report states that the fighting in Gaza caused deep anxiety and disrupted daily life in Israel. The commission determined that indiscriminate firing of rockets and mortar shells from Gaza was intended to sow terror among Israel’s citizens. It added that 14 tunnels leading from Gaza to Israel were uncovered, which were used to attack Israeli soldiers during hostilities. The existence of these tunnels was traumatic for Israeli civilians, who were afraid that they might be attacked at any moment by armed men storming their communities."
~ again, more evidence of Palestinian wrongdoing, yet it is buried in the middle of the page and hardly anyone remarks upon it.

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And finally, read the bottom of the page. You have to scroll way down, past the graphics. There are at least five paragraphs dedicated to the Israeli rebuttal, buried in a spot that hardly any casual readers will get to. --Most tellingly--, there is this:

"The former head of the inquiry, Canadian academic William Schabas, resigned from the committee amid Israeli allegations of bias due to consultancy work he did for the Palestine Liberation Organization."

Right at the end, buried as usual, the authors of the source you cite admit that the UN report was hopelessly biased from the start.

:)

Also worth noting is the fact that Haaretz, the source which my colleague Mr Dumpster used to attack Israel, is a **mainstream Israeli-Jewish publication**!

Why is this significant? Well, because it illustrates one of the fundamental facts about the Arab-Israeli conflict: Israel is a relatively open democracy, where people are free to think and say whatever they like. Jews are some of the most vocal critics of Israeli government policy, and this is only made possible through the fact that their society respects debate and the free marketplace of ideas. Where are the Arab sources condemning the PLO and the murder of Jewish children? Where are the Jordanian newspapers writing about how UN reports found evidence of Palestinian war crimes, all the while burying allegations of Jewish culpability down at the bottom of the page? They don't exist, because for all its faults, Israel is the only thing even remotely close to a free, sane, liberal democracy in that area.

Haaretz is ridiculously Leftist. If you read it at all, that'll jump off the page at you.

Say what you want about me, I just though this would definitely benefit from EvilHomer's input. I was correct. I posted the article knowing he'd jump in.

That and your claim was pure right wing stupidity, an ideology long past due for genocide.

Well, no, Dr Robot is correct. Haaretz is ridiculously leftist - by most standards, although we could of course argue over the precise definition of the word, as "left" is poorly defined and sometimes used in contradictory ways, even in specific, local contexts.

Yet here again, Haaretz's "ridiculous leftism" is evidence of Israel's intellectual and social health. Israel is capable of sustaining a popular, mainstream newspaper which presents an editorial bias well to the left of many radical American college papers, a feat which would be impossible, not only in neighbouring Muslim nations, but even here in the United States. True, Haaretz is a flagrantly biased, short-sighted, self-loathing, at times even authoritarian rag - but the fact that it exists, that is *allowed* to exist, and that Israelis themselves are capable of having such dialogue not only with each other but also with their state, is proof positive that for all its faults, Israel is still on the right path.

Whether or not Israel is guilty of war crimes, that isn't what this was. It was an act of religious terrorism by an unhinged individual that was condemned by the government. I'm no fan of Israel, and less of a fan of Benjamin Netanyahu, but i actually retweeted him the other day, because I thought his message to the familly of Shira Banki, the 16 year old girl who was attending the rally in support of her gay friends, was a beautiful sentiment. "May her memory always be a blessing". He also praised the girl for defending the rights of fellow citizens. You may think Netanyahu is a bastard (I generally do) and you may think this is just obligatory lip service, but there's no reason to suspect that the government caused this to happen.

Yes, it says "Finding Atheism Through Judaism" in the top left corner, so obviously I knew it would have people Limbawling their eyes out.

JHMF is right though, this man was conserving gay people by paying to cull a few here and there.

(it's like you guys forgot why we love SolRo videos)

>>Why is this significant? Well, because it illustrates one of the fundamental facts about the Arab-Israeli conflict: Israel is a relatively open democracy, where people are free to think and say whatever they like. Jews are some of the most vocal critics of Israeli government policy, and this is only made possible through the fact that their society respects debate and the free marketplace of ideas. Where are the Arab sources condemning the PLO and the murder of Jewish children? Where are the Jordanian newspapers writing about how UN reports found evidence of Palestinian war crimes, all the while burying allegations of Jewish culpability down at the bottom of the page? They don't exist, because for all its faults, Israel is the only thing even remotely close to a free, sane, liberal democracy in that area.

Gee, that's swell, Homer, but no, it's not fundamental to the conflict. That's like saying that slavery in the US was a problem because the people who weren't slaves had freedom of speech.

I will say this, and this is my ultimate opinion on this conflict, If the Palestinians could somehow adopt Gandhi-King style nonviolent resistance, Israel would be helpless. I don't know enough to know if this is possible, and if not, why, but it's fucked up that they can get people to blow themselves up, but they can't get people to stand up peacefully to authority. And so, the violence and the oppression continue, year after year, decade after decade, and we of the US are accessories.

>>JHMF is right though, this man was conserving gay people by paying to cull a few here and there.

I don't know who this JHMF person is, but he sounds like a dangerous lunatic.

>>>Gee, that's swell, Homer, but no, it's not fundamental to the conflict. That's like saying that slavery in the US was* a problem because the people who weren't slaves had freedom of speech.


*WASN'T a problem

I genuinely would not have guessed that a submission basically just showing a religious extremist being evil would generate this much controversy on poetv.

I honestly believe that if the Palestinians stopped being violent and just let Israel bulldoze them into 10% of the land area they now occupy with zero resistance, America would still bomb the dogshit out of any country that stopped Israel from completely exterminating them once that point was reached, no news outlet would ever mention the process, and history would be written saying they all committed suicide and no Israeli ever killed anyone ever because they are holy and biologically incapable of violence. I think both parties know what planet they live on, and how the world really is.

A lot of motherfuckers had to die to free the American slaves, and black people are still shot down daily for being black in the richest, freedomest country in human history. Peace is a myth, or worse, a dangerous religion.

I say this as an adherent of Ape Law, a completely mythological naivete' on par with Sovereign Citizenry.

PotRod, it's because people hate SolRo twice as much as Brian Harrod, even though he only registers a 0.05 on the Harrod Scale. SolRo's biggest crime is acting like an American over a country not America.

A lot of motherfuckers had to die to free the American slaves, and black people are still shot down daily for being black in the richest, freedomest country in human history. Peace is a myth, or worse, a dangerous religion.

People get shot down every day for a whole lot of stupid reasons, including Eliot Rodger can't get laid. If Peace has to be absolute and universal in order to be considered peace, sure.

But black people aren't slaves anymore. There's even a black man in the white house. If there's no peace, at least there's progress. If progress is all there is, so be it. It's not nothing.

>>I honestly believe that if the Palestinians stopped being violent and just let Israel bulldoze them into 10% of the land area they now occupy with zero resistance, America would still bomb the dogshit out of any country that stopped Israel from completely exterminating them.

I honestly do not believe that.

You just equated targeted racial homicide with the general crimes of passion style murder most people commit. That is bullshit.

Here is a solution we can try to prove your point. Let Israel be the one to go all Ghandi style. Let them take a complete vow of non-violence (towards the Palestinians, not, say, Iran or Egypt) and see if this renders them helpless against Israel. Of course, you can't drag people out of their homes and kill them so you can bulldoze and build settlements under those conditions, but it would soften the world's view of them as complete bastards.

I wish Israel bordered Canada and tried bulldozing Canadians out. The first Israeli air strike would result in their destruction and we'd all be scared of Canada for a few decades.

Not that we don't all secretly fear Canada, because we do.

>>I genuinely would not have guessed that a submission basically just showing a religious extremist being evil would generate this much controversy on poetv.

Except for the4 location. Fucking Israel is worse than Gamergate

>>You just equated targeted racial homicide with the general crimes of passion style murder most people commit. That is bullshit.

And that's as far as I read. Is it? Am I?

I don't know how I'd respond to that. In some ways they're not the same thing, and in other ways, they are. You understand that, in both cases, the victim is equally dead, right? I know that motives matter, but, from the perspective of the victim, being dead seems like the main point, and it does relate to the question of whether or not there is peace., or what peace is. Isn't that what we were talking about?

I'm going to go eat some potato salad. I've got nothing to say about this that I haven't already said, and if you've got more to say, you don't need me for that.

Of all the people to refuse to believe black people are targeted by, aw who cares fuck it. I need to stop being surprised by people.

I'm sadder he totally didn't read my idea of how to implement his idea. So much for peace in the Middle East.

Five stars of evil for anyone apologizing for Israel's quite obvious war crimes. Which they commit. A lot.

I for one am glad that this jewish man of honor has done the only thing that should be done in this situation. God bless you, Jewish man of excellence. If only Russians like SolRo could live up to this standard of belligerent homophobia, if only they could be more like Putin, who has essentially made being gay a convictable offense.

>>Of all the people to refuse to believe black people are targeted by, aw who cares fuck it. I need to stop being surprised by people.

What the fuck are you talking about. I didn't refuse to believe such thing. I merely... HEY, WAIT A MINUTE! IS THAT YOU, EVIL HOMER?

JHM, you are espousing non-violence as some sort of effective tactic to state repression despite evoking figures that, despite being revised in history as the soul purveyors of social change, existed alongside incredibly influential armed groups who carried out acts of violence and insurrection.

MLK and Ghandi have been idealized, even by the state apparatuses they opposed, for the simple reason that they posed less of threat than the likes Malcom X, Huey Newton, and the Indian National Army.


"The concept of nonviolence is a false ideal. It presupposes the existence of compassion and a sense of justice on the part of one's adversary. When this adversary has everything to lose and nothing to gain by exercising justice and compassion, his reaction can only be negative." -George Jackson

Who day and night must bottle up his feelings,
Never touching penis, though it's what he craves?
And who 'cause of all this religious repression
Flips out and stabs some folks, at a pride parade?

The Nutjob, the Nutjob! Tradition.

Right, as if the person so stabbed wasn't Israeli too. Like it wasn't also their country. At least gay people wont be so dumb as to scapegoat a gay person for the sake of this dumb politicized nonsense.

SONOFABITCH!

Dairyqueenlatifah posted same time as I did. Forget I said the above.

Not to mention the gay loving Russians.

Are you saying we should excuse everyone who violently attacks gay people because Muslims do it, too?

Seriously, we can't criticize this guy for using his religion as an excuse to stab a 16-year-old girl to death because Islamic extremists also bash gays?

I love the Jews. Of all the batshit stupid Levant religions, theirs is the one I'd actually keep around at the expense of all others. They actually did things with it that are deep, philosophical, and beautifully profound.

They need to stop murdering children, though, and financing shit movies, not necessarily in that order.

Fuck the Russian Orthodox Church, though, I'd rather be evangelical. Or worse, Catholic... okay, maybe not Catholic. Can't I just be a Jew?

Baleen, I'm becoming a Jew.

And before SolRo calls me out on it, I know there are many many Jews who do not murder children, and many ma... well, far less who do not finance shit movies.

goddamit you guys are making me side with SolRo. Stop it.

Solro, people are making fun of you.
They don't care about whatever you're doing.

Precisely. I think Israel's government has sucked for decades, that their interest groups has sucked billions from this country while only tarnishing our image and dragging us into conflict in return, and that their alignment with dangerous right wingers in this country is, well, dangerous.

I'm just sick of SolRo's constant front page sissy slap fight about it. None of this site's 200 users are going to change their mind at this point. He's been spinning his wheels for a while now and I'm tired of how this site has increasingly become a vehicle for the same half dozen people to spit their never ending self righteous bile.*



* For fuck's sake we just had a bunch of videos about the supreme court legalizing gay marriage and what should have been an outpouring of positive affirmation was 90% of the comments (mostly from the same half dozen perpetual spite brigade posters) being about nothing but jerking off to how furious it must be making conservatives. As if the only value to civil rights and safeguarding marginalized groups was in how much it pissed other people off.

You lie.

You give no fucks about Israel or civil rights. You just want to talk down to people for being loud about things you wish silence would make go away. You ignore, no, you spit right in the face, of the people who died for being gay, or Palestinian, or Israeli, by telling the people who loudly speak up about it to shut up. You serve their killers this way, which is why I think you lie about opposing them.

SolRo, never shut up because some asshole says you make them uncomfortable. I was treating this video and the issue with a little bit of humor towards the exasperation of having a problem with something on a website full of straight up terrible people, but now I'm genuinely pissed off at this dump and its cowards.