It's a silly game we play where we try to act like the other side hates this county. The right wing plays that card way more than the left, and the left shouldn't even try playing that game cause the right does it so much better with their trucks, guns, flags, Bibles, and NASCAR.

Cranston especially. Amazing actor, but I've never seen an interview where he didn't say one or several idiotic things. Which makes the acting all that more amazing. Maybe there's just nothing there, so that's why he can inhabit other characters so well...

I was about to ask why he's talking about politics on CNN, but it's cause he's playing LBJ on screen. That qualifies him beyond most cable news goons.

I don't see what was so dumb about it. Mr Cranston says that Donald Trump loves this country, BUT, he does not agree with Mr Trump's policies. It's reasonable, it's diplomatic, and it's true!

You're going to love it in New York though, Cena.

What he said may not have been profound, but it was more sensible and even-handed than easily three-quarters of what I see on political blogs these days.

I've figured out a way to separate the real Americans from the not so real Americans. I am a real American. I fight for the rights of every man, which is something Trump does not intend to do. That is the true test.

Hello Mr. Scotsman.

The No True Scotsman fallacy is a form of special pleading, and can only be invoked when the criteria being used to define membership within a group is inconsequential and unsupported by further argument.

Cena is not committing that fallacy here. It is a well-established principle that real Americans fight for the rights of every man. We know that real Americans feel strong about right and wrong, and have the courage to keep us free. They will fight for what's right, and fight for your life; there is no other definition worth considering.

Thank you, Homer gets it. I'm not talking about Scottish People, I'm talking about Americans. Don't try to change the subject unless you're changing the topic to MLP, wrestling, or Steven Universe.

Complete failure of logical syllogism aside, this doesn't even pass weak induction.

That was in regards to the existence of intrinsic Americans, not that Cranston stated the obvious on tv because he is in between famecash vehicles and needs exposure.

Who said anything about intrinsic Americans? Cena and I are talking about real Americans.

Real Americans need not be intrinsic Americans. One can become, or cease to be, a real American depending upon one's actions and beliefs! There is no inherent "American-ness" to being a real American; it is a right to be earned, not a privilege to be born into.

Take Bryan Cranston, for example. Like Walter White, Mr Cranston is standing up for what he believes in. In times like these, it takes great courage even to state obvious truths - and for this reason, Mr Cranston is a real American.

You're just shifting the fallacy from "real American" to "person who really cares about freedom and really defends the rights of all men". These are not objective qualifications that all people will agree on. As long as you're talking about subjective definitions, it's a no-true-scotsman fallacy.

That's... kind of the whole point.

What's non-objective about that?! Either you're willing to fight for the rights of every man, or you're not. Being a real American is an active philosophical position; a real American can no more disregard the rights of every man than a real wrestler could go his entire career without wrestling somebody.

The point of the no-true-scotsman fallacy is to stop people from holding on to absolute statements even in the face of contrary evidence. It's not to stop people from acknowledging better, more precise definitions for terms.

"What's non-objective about that?! Either you're willing to fight for the rights of every man, or you're not."

I'm not. I am not willing to fight for the right of a businessman to discriminate against certain clientele, for example.

Godwin's law, 3 posts in

typos, typos everywhere.

A country is a sphere that orbits a star and has sentient self-replicating molecular gestalts crawling about it opining on things.

What everyone on else calls a country, I call a "blind delusion of separation of a species with no two members you can tell apart in a dark room." Or, if you like, "illiterate scribblings on a map wherein those on the other side must be controlled or killed" or even "shit no one sees in reality but considers your life expendable to protect, like fucking morons."

Basically less important than every child's drawing that bothered to color outside a line.

But before (and only if) you find any of the above yeah-worthy, I'm pretty sure the oligarchy feels the same way.

Yeah. That captures it. Cranston comes off as a cocktail party bore.

I'm not concerned enough to look it up, but if the newslady asked him whether he thinks Trump loves America, he gave it a solid answer.