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Scrimmjob - 2016-11-18

Every year is a good year for classic industrial music!


bawbag - 2016-11-19

This^^^


Old_Zircon - 2016-11-19

Fair enough.


lieutenant halfabeef - 2016-11-19

That's what I was going to say.


StanleyPain - 2016-11-18

Love Clock DVA, but it's a shame that Adi Newton became such a raving loon.


Old_Zircon - 2016-11-19

What happened with him? Love the music but I don't really know much at all about his as a person and I can't really find anything about him going off the deep end on line.


StanleyPain - 2016-11-19

Forgive the long post, but...
Well, he was always kinda known to be something of an egotist. Apparently over the years he grew more and more resentful of having to collaborate or rely on other people and started to essentially claim his entire music career was solely of his own creation. In the early days of the internet he infamously wrote a lot of his own press and started engaging with Usenet and stuff like that in a really combative way. (perfect example, read the liner notes for the first Clock DVA "Collective" compilation which are nauseatingly sycophantic towards Newton which turned out to be written by him.)

Anyway, none of this was a big deal, although it drove away his bandmates and generally caused the collapse of DVA/Anti-Group and a lot of people didn't want to work with him anymore. Years later when the social media age started to really kick in (MySpace, etc.) Newton re-emerged and basically said that no one on anything he ever was involved in contributed anything to the music or production except him and he wanted to be the solely credited artist on everything Clock DVA. Around this time, I (and other fans) came into contact with Paul Browse and Dean Dennis who were pretty gracious and open with fans on the internet. (Dennis still occasionally sends me postcards from Scotland...cool guy) Privately, they related stories about how re-releases of DVA's backcatalogue were being prevented because of legal issues with Newton wanting to be only person credited on them or paid for them or anything. Newton famously threatened people on MySpace personally (I got one of the messages as well) that if you were "friends" with any of his former bandmates he would block you from the "official" DVA pages and such (which he actually did for a time) and he wrote bizarre rants about how people were out to get him and claim they were members of the band when they weren't etc. etc. It's been going like that for awhile now.
Last year, Browse, Dennis, Robert Baker and a number of other artists who had either performed with DVA or were part of that early Sheffield industrial scene started a small facebook group where they all shared memories and photos and were basically all re-connecting along with some of their fans and Newton apparently made a variety of threats to the actual person who started the group who then shut it down out of it nowhere.
It's been going on like that. I assume some legal things have been settled as Newton is now re-releasing some of the very older DVA material and giving proper credit where credit is due, but in general Newton is kinda poisonous.
The funny thing is that he contends that former DVA members are all talentless and didn't contribute to any of the music, but yet after the dissolution of the group, they all went on to publish solo music and do other things pretty steadily, whereas Newton never released anything except a tiny handful of new tracks and now the re-releases.


TheyUsedDarkForces - 2016-11-19

I like some Industrial but I never branched out from what I'd consider the standards... I cut my hair a few years ago, but I'm always up for a reason to get my leather trench coat out of the closet, literally or metaphorically.

Would any of you kind people have any suggestions as to how I can expand my horizons a bit? Some stuff I appreciate that may be relevant: Skinny Puppy, Pigface, Coil, Velvet Acid Christ, Ministry, Joy Division, Front Line Assembly...


Old_Zircon - 2016-11-19

I'm pretty light on the industrial and EBM knowledge myself, you probably know more than me.

I like Vomito Negro.


StanleyPain - 2016-11-20

It kinda depends on what you're looking for, DarkForces. I mean, Industrial is sort of an umbrella term. There's the really harsh, early stuff like Throbbing Gristle, SPK, Boyd Rice, Einsturzende Neubauten etc. which is very aggressive and noisy and was sort of the original stuff that was "industrial." Then there's the more electronic stuff that sort of merged that with more definitive beats and synths and stuff like that; the early Mute records scene probably being the best starting point where it all started sort of blending into pop sensibilities (stuff like early Daniel Miller, Cabaret Voltaire, DAF, Fad Gadget, things in that vein).
Then there's that kind of "goth industrial" branch that sort of evolved in the late 80s/early 90s that was almost like a combination of the new wave pop/dance sensibilities(tons of stuff on, for example, the Zoth Ommog label, which is now defunct), but heavier and darker and sometimes tinged with a kind of rock/metal sound (Ministry, KMFDM, Severed Heads, NIN, Alien Sex Fiend, Foetus, Killing Joke)
Then you get into the far more techno/straightforward electronic stuff when you get into the current wave stuff (which has, like, a zillion damn terms to describe it) but I would say, for example, a label like Alfa Matrix or Out of Line for all the newer "cyber-goth/electro-goth" or whatever the hell people want to call it.

Mind you, this is a ridiculously simplistic recommendation just to address the very minimal basics, I realize this is far from a comprehensive discussion of industrial music, but I figure it's a decent answer for just here on POETV.


TheyUsedDarkForces - 2016-11-20

That's actually a nice concise breakdown and some of those groups are new to me, so I'll check it out.

Thanks guys


Old_Zircon - 2016-11-21

It's not really industrial, but that brief sweet spot for Ministry in he mid 80s, after they stopped being synth pop but before they added guitars, is great. Basically the album Twitch.


Lurchi - 2016-11-19

Einst├╝rzende Neubauten is the only industrial music I care about

https://youtu.be/YjK_WwSwAQ4


Mr. Purple Cat Esq. - 2016-11-19

That... just sucks imo.
Like, it could fit in nicely on an album for instance as a palette cleanser.
But by itself, has no redeeming qualities. I dont get it. Do you normally like music? Or do you appreciate it more as performance art?


Lurchi - 2016-11-19

haha, you're a fucking idiot


Old_Zircon - 2016-11-19

Neubauten is great.


bawbag - 2016-11-20

Neubaten are the shit, I would also put TG/Psychic TV, Cabaret Voltaire, Non, Foetus and Test Dept in that playlist too though.


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