What would you classify it as? They infiltrated and provided intel

SolRo, have you STILL not learned the point of this site?

for gullible idiots to spread right-wing propaganda?

A fairly straightforward undercover intel report is propaganda how? I'm really confused about all this roiling vitriol

See, shrike, you have to get with the fucking program around here.

You have to post and 5 star a bunch of videos that support your own worldview, trash the people involved in them often without any context whatsoever, freak out and act like a child when someone else does the exact same thing, characterize everybody who disagrees with you even slightly on a few points as bigoted scum, and just generally have zero sense of humor and suck all fun out of the site.

Is that really how it works here?

Seriously why is everyone biting my head off for this? It made it through the submission area fairly quick...

It's about 50/50.

Also I'm going to go ahead and assume that shrike is orcs. Reasoning: no caps, dan simmons reference, general nature of submission.

Welcome back!

Fuck right off with this alt-reich bullshit EH's new alt.

O'Keefe and co, as always full. of. shit http://www.snopes.com/2017/01/18/dueling-stings/

Who is Orcs?

EH? This is not an alt-account for anyone, this is my first account with this website...

Make it your last, you've misread this place -horribly-.

r/the_donald is back the other way.

Bawbag you seem like kind of a bully, what makes you the spokesman for the narrative here? If anyone has misjudged anything horribly, it's your judgement of me, I wrote in Bernie Sanders, I think Trump is a joke. The only thing I was defending was the concept of journalism being valid here in the context of undercover reporting being utilized to expose illegal activity.

Sure you did Nikolai b.

!??!?!!? What the fuck are you talking about? Are you trying to doxx somebody?

Aww man, that was super subtle.

You can do it!

Stars for using the word 'roiling,' that is one of my favorite words!

Well we can't all be the dynamite white knight journalists you are, bawbag. Like spending your time calling everyone racist in an attempt to masturbate more effectively. Gotta get that SJW lube groovin. Ohhhhhh yeah.

Also, I'm gonna say something and I honestly hope you get something out of it. You have been gunning after me pretty hard, trying to get everyone here to hate me and pretty much displaying why everyone who isn't an SJW fucking hates SJWs. You make up your own narrative about everyone and everything, stick to it, and you don't listen to anyone you don't rigidly assign the label of "good".

I saw your delightful link where you obsess on imgur over 5 year old POE Red posts of mine. You've obviously been around for a while and you seem to be pretty angry over me saying we should shut down the border (by which I meant immigration). Which, by the way, had nothing to do with the video I posted, you just felt like calling me racist again.

I want you to be honest with yourself. This is obsession. You are obsessed with going after me and anyone else on this site you deem as worthy of your vitriol.

No one deserves to be doxxed and if that is what you are trying to do to other posters, you should be fucking banned.

And as for me, you don't know me if you are obsessing over posts of mine from 5 years ago, dude. We all go through a lot in life and none of us are the same as we were 5 years ago or 10. I am just beginning to understand your hatred of me goes back a long way and I don't even know anything about you. I don't know who the fuck you are. I don't know anything about your life. I severely regret sharing anything about my life over at POE or Bo simply because of the number of total sociopaths present at both sites who linger in chatrooms and think of ways to fuck with people because yeah, that's a productive use of your time.

Instead of judging me or anyone else here, why don't you do something useful and then report back here on what you're doing to make the world a better place. Because right now you aren't. You are exuding negativity and then complaining the world sucks. Well if the world sucks, contribute to it.

You don't have to take my advice but all you do is make other people miserable. It's the only thing you contribute to this site. I may have debates with people but at least I'm honest. Are you? You seem to be under the impression, the vastly mistaken impression that you are fighting some kind of war against racism here and that has some kind of impact on real life. Does it? What are you accomplishing, fair prince?

I hope that one day you realize you don't have to be totally miserable. In a way I pity you because I spent most of my life hating myself, being clinically depressed and secretly wanting to die. So I know how much life can suck, but I'm in a new chapter of my life where I've largely moved on from those emotions. I wish I could tell you how freeing it is to walk away from your own unhappiness and self hatred, because I see those aspects in you, but really it's the sort of thing you can only experience yourself. I can't really show you the way there, but I hope you get there.

You can throw tantrums about my current posts or posts from years ago, you can obsess over new posters and automatically accuse them of being people who you hate, you can look for enemies on this site to tear apart and scream at and despise. But those are all pointless acts and they won't make you understand yourself or anyone around you.

I won't take back what I said before about you being an asshole and a cunt because you are those things here, but I'm also hoping you're a nice person when you aren't here, and that you don't treat people in real life with the same level of extreme hatred you accuse people here of expressing.

You probably won't take any of this to heart and if you don't, I won't be surprised. For the most part, I find you repulsive and hateful and I almost never think of you unless I see one of your rants here. I've said I hated you before and I want to take that back now because I don't really know you. For all I know you are a teenage goth girl who loves Slender Man. I don't really know.

But I hope you get it together because lately you are fucking losing it.

^holy wow get help dude. I mean that.

No, dude. You're the one that needs help. Believe me, everyone here can see your behavior is totally disturbing and borders on the sociopathic.

And you're not going to deflect away from the fact that you have been obsessing over me and bring me up constantly. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? Why do you talk about me so goddamn much? Are you that concerned with racism or are you just so fucking stupid you think I'm the biggest problem in the world as far as racism goes and you're too much of a chicken shit to go up against literal actual Neo Nazis out there on the internet.

I'm dead serious when I say you sound like you should seek professional help, I'm not saying this as a putdown btw.

You seem overly concerned with what I -a total stranger- think of you and honestly that is far from healthy. You are mentioned occasionally as an example of someone I strongly disagree with yet still feel no need to ignore here or as a frequent racebait poster, which is demonstrable with a quick glance at your video submissions and comments within.

The crude attempts at gaslighting are also really worrying, and this is not even the first time you've tried this particular angle on PoETV/elsewhere. I again would invite you to seek professional counselling of some sort because that's some truly fucked up behaviour, far beyond anything else (trolling or otherwise) in this thread.

http://www.healthyplace.com/other-info/resources/mental-health -hotline-numbers-and-referral-resources/

Also perhaps consider using my uBlock ignore script to block my userID if you find my posts this agitating.

Jesus Christ, this shit battle is amazing. You guys have seamlessly transitioned into feigned concern. The mental health link is a great touch.

15th, I'm actually sincerely concerned for RoUS.

This isn't the first time he's had a full meltdown over a disagreement with me/mention from me.

Monkey Nap lower down got the shit ripped out of him because he came out swinging first, so I decided to play but RoUS is literally talking about being so depressed he wanted to die (again, not for the first time) and I legit don't want him to come to any harm over some fucking dumb arguing on PoE.

I may be a troll and an asshole a lot of the time, but I legit don't wish that on anyone.

Aww yeah, don't fuck with bawbag. He fuckin DESTROYED me. Employing super good trolling tactics like calling me fat, claiming everything I say about him is my strawman. Man, I sure do feel wrong and stupid now that I goaded him into replying to me, nonstop, for like 16 hours straight, on basically no provocation.

Finger guns pew pew

You fucking dope.

Damn yeah, you sure goaded me -hours later- with this 'declaration of victory' interjection on RoUS' post dude.

How about keeping this shit downthread rather than being a totally broken piece of absolute shit and continuing unabated over his semi-earnest cry for help? Is that too much to ask?

I'm also on board with this characterization of yourself as a good natured troll and not some loathsome fuckbag bully.

You get an A+ in self-awareness.

You brought it up.

Maybe I should listen to you, though. I mean, I reeeeaaallllyyy buy your sincerity, and I'm reeeaaaalllllyyyy sure he does too.

I think that feigning that you care is a pretty dramatic shift from your normal pattern. You didn't do it until I shamed you by being real with you and telling you that I am

a) nothing like the way you paint me out to be, which is a monstrous, racist and hateful fascist
b) genuinely wanting other people to be happy and you have given me every indication that you are not.

I brought up my own history with depression because I was able to beat it and move on from it, while you are constantly proving that you are unstable and unhappy. You can try and deflect all you want, but your anger is constant and misery inducing to read. It's also baffling and boring.

The very idea that I could be pinpointing that you are not happy and lashing out of either from depression or full on sociopathic tendencies (which seems very likely now) or both on a fairly constant basis is now resulting in this about face where you are concern trolling me.

Just for the record, I'm fine. I'm not the one posting links on imgur of posts from half a decade ago that I dug up to prove my imagined enemies are evil incarnate.

"You seem overly concerned with what I -a total stranger- think of you"

Dude, if you had my info and knew where I lived, I wouldn't care what you thought of me, I'd be genuinely scared. I don't think I've come across anyone else on this site or any other that has the hate hard on for me that you do. The only other person that comes close is Bo, with his many insane incarnations. And I haven't dealt with his insane ass in a long time. I hope to never do so again.

Normal people may leave a comment here and there on the Internet like "fuck you" or "You're an asshole! Fuck off!" and then let it go. For you, this has gone on and on. For the record, everyone here knows that you OBSESS over me and not the other way around. YOU keep bringing ME up, dummy. So if you don't want me to call you out on it, then don't keep dragging my name up and pretend that me reacting to it is so weird.

You aren't addressing the things I'm talking about because you can't. You know that logically you can't defend your ballistic behavior and now you're trying to just deny it has ever been a thing with you. It is a thing with you.

RoUS, this is exactly the same trajectory as the last time you had a ginormously mental wall of text meltdown here after I called out your racist tendencies.

I'm off to bed now (after carefully retyping this once or twice to be less inflammatory) but seriously give thought to getting help dude, because all this chat of obsession you're rabbiting on about really, truly smacks of projection.

Beyond roasting you for your racist tendencies here, it might surprise you to learn I don't 'hate' you, finding racist posts you made takes all of 5 minutes on google or a cursory glance at your submitted videos, whereas you've been haunting my responses to see if your name is mentioned and overreacting/shitposting wildly when you find it has been.

That link above has some legit services and state by state listings.
Talk to someone you know even, if you have family around or people you trust, talk openly to them rather than bleeding your personal life out here and coming up with almost conspiratorial, paranoid walls of text involving Big Brother Bawbag.

Night.

Here's an idea you callous sack of filth:

Stop mentioning him.

Just don't do it.

Is there any reason to? Ever?

You seem so concerned about his mental health... have you tried using that as a compelling reason to stop bringing him up?

When a person is so completely full of shit, can you smell it through their skin? I don't mean like, where it leaks out of them, but actually right through their skin?

Summary: It's shocking to bawbag that he writes about me all the time and that I manage to see the things he's written about me, when I have nothing to do with whatever discussion is going on.

You drag my name in at every opportunity, dude. You are not owning up to that fact and you are NOT owning up to the fact that you spew vitriol more than almost anyone else here. This isn't good natured ribbing. I swear to God you're as bad as Trump when it comes to the shit that comes out of your mouth and the absolute denial that takes place afterwards. You and he should get a fucking room so you can get it over with and hatefuck him already, you two have way more in common than you think.

If you're serious about not hating me, maybe you should take your own advice. You just accused me of haunting your responses and yet you are looking up posts of mine that are five to six years old, posts that you TOOK SCREENSHOTS OF WHICH IS TOTALLY NOT A SIGN OF OBSESSION AT ALL, and now you are concerned about my mental health. For looking up your past responses. Uh huh.

Look, dude. I recognize unhealthy patterns because I fully admit I used to engage in those patterns when it comes to denying my depression and anger towards the world were affecting me negatively. I had problems in the past with this and I did say that in my post that they were in my past and not my present. You latched onto that as a way of pretending you can attend to my needs when you have never had that as an intention and everyone here knows this.

You can pretend to do a 180 but your posts will reveal how much you take it to heart. I have critically disagreed with you on the subject of race matters in the US because my own experiences have taught me that racism goes both ways and I'm not going to back down from the fact that a certain percentage of blacks in the US have been giving in to a wave of anti white, anti Hispanic and anti Asian racism, and that contributes to the decay of the left as a progressive force for good. You have always equated this with me being a Neo Nazi, which makes you not only wrong, it cements you as reactionary when you won't engage with me, instead choosing hyperbole as your go to reaction. It isn't amusing to me that you do this and then rant about me in other forums time and time again for what, a year now? You complain about me more than you do the KKK or The Donald himself.

So like I said, maybe you can spend your time trying to make the world a better place and report back here when you do. I look forward to hearing about what you are actually doing instead of yelling either at me or about me, or posting mental health numbers that I don't need in an attempt to say that all along you've actually cared about me, because really dude?

My advice to you is to rethink your SJW stance on the world because SJWs are not making the world a better place by trying to shame, finger point, guilt, or silence people they disagree with. That only makes things worse. You only make things worse, both for your causes and for yourself.

"Here's an idea you callous sack of filth:"

Is the idea 'maintain a caloric deficit and exercise regularly?' oh wait no, of course it isn't, coming as it does from a blithering lunatic like yourself.

Have I mentioned how fat you are mouldy nickelodeon? Very.

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RoUS, you are in need of help dude.
"screenshots are a sign of obsession". No, they are a sign of the clipping tool being super-easy to use when I'm at work. I'm neither doing a 180 (I will still call out your racial horseshit, every damn time), nor trying to 'attend to your' mental health 'needs'. What I am doing is saying that judging by your run-on crazy-person responses here, you need to attend to those yourself.

It seems like you could do with the help but hey, that's on you to contact them or not.

All the racism apologia is standard for you at this point and why you are constantly called out here, and not just by me. Bear that in mind. It's why you were constantly chased out of the forums and you would always end up repeating this selfsame pattern of behaviour.

You are going out of your way to dig up posts over half a decade old that you just happen to have screenshots of on a now defunct site, which you put up on imgur because you want to start discussions about them because you ARENT obsessed.

You've been practically dry humping every post of mine ever since you showed up here. No one chased me away, I've been taking a break from this site because you and other SJWs sucked the fun out of it. You bitch and moan about me and I have called you out several times on your hypocrisy and you ALWAYS ignore me when I say you are a chicken shit for not going after real Nazis. Why not go to Stormfront and share you feelings there? Why not attend a pro fascist gathering in England and do some outreach? It's because you are more interested in being a little bitch here and trying to start shit constantly to sit on your pedestal and pretend you are morally above other people. I doubt you are really that concerned with racism so much as the power trip you get off of yelling at other people about it and denouncing them for it. You have never talked once in the entire time you've been there (that I know of) about any racism you've seen in real life, how you've dealt with that, how it affects people in your personal life, or anything you feel over real life racism. All you do is throw down with me and now you are flat out lying about not obsessing with me, which literally anyone can objectively say you are doing. You condescend to me because that is a tool you use and it has nothing to do with reason or logic.

Why don't you just man up and admit you're wrong about something for once? Stop bringing me up so goddamn often and maybe I won't respond. Seriously, feigning ignorance over why this pattern is emerging is really transparent. Oh, and stop trying to "investigate my past" with POE News and maybe I won't accuse you of being a lunatic. You did that. You aren't trying to start a discussion, you aren't trying to simply chat or be informative, you are holding onto screenshot posts of mine for five or six years and I find that incredibly creepy for a reason. ITS FUCKING CREEPY. Why were you holding onto that for five plus years, dude? Seriously WHAT THE FUCK is wrong with you that you would care that much about a now dead website and things I said on it? Are you a Nazi hunter? Are you going to finally catch me and take me to trial at Nuremberg? The self righteousness dripping off every single one of your posts is nauseating.

In short, knock it the fuck off and I won't call you out on it anymore.

You fucking weirdo.

Get help dude.

You are just too stupid to live bawbag.

^that's rich coming from you fatty.

Translation: strategic retreat in progress

You still at this RoUS? Honestly dude get professional help.

Like who?

You are no shit for vigilante mob justice?

Are you a Klansman?

Don't forget the repeated use of synonyms! "...illegal, criminal acts!" etc.

Don't worry about it.

A couple of people here are such unbelievable pieces of shit with absolutely zero self-awareness that they can't believe more than one or two people would disagree with them or think they suck.

They've sucked all the joy out of this place by their constant polarizing of anything with even the faintest whiff of politicization or social commentary. What's more, they think everyone agrees with them about everything, except for the transphobic homophobic mysogynist Nazi pieces of shit like you who only post this stuff to troll and not because you might think it's interesting or funny, when in reality people are just afraid or exasperated or too mature to post anything and get involved in it.

One of them even posted handy hints on how to block posters not too long ago, which is SUPER DUPER ironic.

Thanks Money, I was legitimately getting bummed out, especially this bawbag guy acting like the schoolyard bully.

I read they call that guy with the long hair "Humpin' Luke" and that he's a well know pedophile. Look it up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrrj6wnmItE

I don't see the resemblance :/

Shrike, welcome aboard, sorry for the supreme b-holery up page. Mostly just hardcore Hildawg supporters trying to cope with their newly prolapsed anus'.

I want to know when Mr. Carrey here will admit to the fact that the hundreds of STD's he gave to his gf is what made her kill herself.

Monkey napoleon complex, unlike some of you utterly broken fuckers I don't and won't tolerate the unironic racism of characters like RoUS who openly fucking loathes black people at every opportunity, the kiddy-fucker types like camoleste paedoturno or the neofash imbeciles who show up periodically but hey, go nuts defending the worst elements here because you've taken a dislike to my posting you ridiculous cunt.

Careful you don't break a hammy digit smashing out another passive-aggressive catty reply on your super-sized, spittle and cum-soaked keyboard :^)

Too be clear, if shrike had made the description "Look at the disgusting Nazi propoganda this filth is putting out" then you wouldn't have had a problem with his post.

Which is odd, considering his chosen wording is pretty bland and is not ostensibly supporting the video, which was voted out of the hopper and submitted by a guy you have zero posting history to work a pattern from.

You straight up told him to go away, because he seemed genuinely confused about what was happening. You don't bother explaining yourself, or even calmly mentioning what your objection is.

Thinking you're a dirtbag and fucking bully has nothing to do with defending him or them, you're just such an unbelievable asshole that YOU put ME in this position.

I'd already read his posts before I replied, and prior to that, I upvoted both of these vids so that the counter-sting link could be posted, it's almost like you can glean intent from someone posting a fucking project veritas vid then defending it in the comments as 'undercover journalism'. (also it's fairly clear he is orcs, gmork nailed it).

"YOU put ME in this position"
hahaha what was that about 'self-awareness' and 'irony' again?

When -was- the first time you tripped over my dick here and got your dander up? Because honestly, I barely remember you.

bawbag, can you fucking cool your goddamn fragile tits in between posts? If you are really this incensed about being "antifa" then why the fuck are you wasting time on an ironic video posting site?

Do you think alienating poetv users is fighting fascism? EVEN IF your conjecture about the true nature of shrike's soul is correct, YOU ARE NOT HELPING.

For what it's worth, igniting a shitstorm and then backing off with "lol I dunno why you are so upset" and derailing the argument is indeed classic EH.

It was probably right around the time you started thinking of this place as your personal hugbox that needs defending from filthy scum like people who haven't ever posted before and people who think some of the lefts arguments are bullshit.

" I don't and won't tolerate "

Isn't there some dipshit facebook group you can join?

If you'd care to note jf, both responses above started with Monkey Nap's passive-aggressive shit because he's still mad over something or other unrelated to the topic (my first response to which was a snopes link about the counter-sting) but apparently that's -me- 'igniting a shitstorm' and derailing???

As for 'backing off' you have definitely misread me if you think that's where I'm going with that.

I'm not mad at you for any particular thing except you being a huge self-righteous dickhead all over the place.

Never stop fighting the good fight of shitting up a stupid humor site's comment sections! The world will be such a better place once every person on it thinks just like you!

"It was probably right around the time you started thinking of this place as your personal hugbox..."

Was this -coincidentally- around the time you helped bully Bobonne out of a topic about transgender kids by any chance? Right, yeah I had to go hunt that down but -now- I get when you decided to take this particular tack.

My hugbox though, yeah sure man I'm super popular here as evidenced by the angry edgelord dogpile almost every time I comment in the last few months.

Anyway back on Nikolai 'Orcs' Burgevin's topic: Being rumbled by affiliates of The Young Turks has got to be a new low even for O'Keefe.

"I'm not mad at you for any particular thing except you being a huge self-righteous dickhead all over the place."

Cool story bro, you posted your ragey 'self-righteous' little screeds before I responded in this thread. Don't let that inconvenient reality get in the way of your pointless tantrum though.

Aww man, that was super subtle.

You can do it!

TOP TIP: wipe the grease from your typing wand before pressing return to avoid dropping it on your keyboard and double-posting inanities.

Wow, you sure are making your "not a fucking asshole" case.
No, really, keep going. I'm breathless in anticipation of which insult you're going to quote next from trolling for dummies.

"Wow, you sure are making your "not a fucking asshole" case."

Is -that- what you think you were doing in this thread?

You seem to forget that you waddled into the thread -before I'd even posted- to shoot off at the mouth, now that you've gotten it back in spades your jowls are all a-quiver at the very idea that your cunty first posts might get a nasty response!

Imagine that!? What a conundrum!

"gotten it back in spades your jowls are all a-quiver at the very idea that your cunty first posts might get a nasty response!"

If that's what you want to tell yourself.

At this point I'm just curious how many times you're going to call me a fat loser as if I am, or that if I were it would bother me, or if that's even a bad thing to be, or if you think taunting people based on their physical attributes is in line with your most holy crusade of showing all us biggots here on poetv what for.

TOP TIP: It's not, and EVERYBODY can see this exchange, and that fact doesn't bother me even a little.

For the record I may have misspoke when I say I "assume" he is orcs. He could genuinely be a new poster. And I genuinely welcome him back, whether or not he is! Waugh's brief recurrence kind of put orcs in perspective. Made me realize that in spite of myself, I kind of missed him.

Uh, ignore the word "back" in "welcome back" in that post. Language is hard.

That was an ugly sentence. I'm going to just stop now.

"At this point I'm just curious how many times you're going to call me a fat loser..."

As many times as it takes to prick your cheeto-dust-encrusted edgelord hide some more.

"...as if I am, or that if I were it would bother me"

Classic. You're clearly bothered.

As for the 'holy crusade' you imagine I'm on, even if that were the case there's a pretty clear difference between insulting -one angry fat guy who shot his mouth off at the start of this thread- AKA 'you'

versus

casting aspersions/propagating ugly stereotypes/attitudes about an entire gender or race.

You're comparing pineapples to oranges at this point, you must be starving. Vocalise to your trainers, get them to toss in another bucket.

Nah, you nailed it gmork it's him.

BOOM! ROASTED!

Oh man, you sure showed me by calling me fat again a couple of times.

*yawn*

If I keep responding, will you just keep calling me fat? You should keep going. Yes. Definitely.

"I keep responding"
"keep calling me fat"

Happy to oblige.

You're so fucking fat in fact that you've been observed to pull smaller, unstable planetoids into a decaying orbit around your vaguely spheroid mass.

The resultant strikes on your pockmarked, oleaginous surface bring forth geysers of gravy that first burn, then fertilise the myriad lands in your flaky, sweating dimples and greasy lank hair.

Life springs anew in your folds, the circle of lard. NAAAAAAAAAASOWHENYAAAAAAAAAGONNAGETAPIZZABRAAAA.

tl;dr you are fucking fat, fatty. :)

Nice one. Got any more you want to get off your chest?

Now that you mention it, yes!

When your handlers strap you in to the Bagger 293 at feeding time, does the framework chafe?

Nice. Too bad you're so progressive, otherwise you could call me a faggot too. Man, think how much THAT would upset me. Since you are so progressive, it's probably ok if you do it anyway, right?

Oh, I know. How about virgin? You could do even do a reply where you say something like "oh I thought that much was obvious!" Man, fucking classic.

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news but I'm not straight so that particular word isn't really my go-to insult. Whichever stripe of blowhole you choose to stick your dork into is a-ok by me Shamu.

That you're the sort who pays for it is merely a technicality.

Too progressive to stoop to faggot, huh? That's a shame. There is still the virgin option, though. Keep it mind.

Oh, you kind of did while I was replying. Not exactly virgin, but good enough. Good work!

I'm just glad I finally have an answer to the 'Could God create something so heavy even he couldn't lift it?' paradox. Hallelujah!

bawbag - Shining white beacon of progressive values, taking down shitlords one fat joke at a time.

You sure got me, buddy. You sure got me.

I sure did, you're at the stage of recycling your own 'hurr durr progressive' material now blimpy, inbetween bouts of earnestly hoping I call you something homophobic of course.

Let me be clear that I don't wish you any harm though, for one thing I doubt Dolmio has enough stock of ragu negative to transfuse.

Hey bro, how much did you pay for your It's Not Bad When I Do It™? Was it affordable for an unemployed fat guy who lives on tendies and Mountain Dew? I'm asking for a friend.

The best you could come up with -after all that- was a 'no u!'?

I'm embarrassed for you.

I've been considering what it would take to get on your good side, but I doubt I could afford the long-haul flights.

Also, I'm not American so 'tendies' and 'mountain dew' aren't the staple diet here unlike whichever part of Fattalachia you live in lardo.

Not only does your part in this thread consist almost entirely of "no u, and ur fat", but I was talking about myself.

Good move probably, investing in your It's Not Bad When I Do It™.

Recycle the 'It's Not Bad When I Do It™' a few more times man!

I mean you did go to all that trouble to come up with the strawman after all, might as well swish your muumuu at that 'progressive' straw angrily*



*read: sweatily, with concerted effort, laboured breathing and a BP that could launch ICBMs.

You were doing sooo well with the fat jokes, and now this? Using words you don't understand coupled with more fat jokes?

You are on a roll today, bro!

I mean, you're still a piece of human garbage who is too fucking stupid to grasp the mind-blowing irony stemming from the hate you feel, but YOU ARE ON A ROLL.

How about another fat joke? Hey, are you available to do this all day? Please say yes.

"words you don't understand"

You busted out the grammar argument, the weakest possible lil' bitch response and worse yet you got it wrong you hilariously dumb, morbidly obese fuckwit: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/concerted

To wit: "good work!"

"on a roll"
"ON A ROLL"

1 roll per fatty, oh never mind I see you're wearing your own.

Now's your chance to claim you meant 'strawman' btw.

I was talking about "strawman". It's not a strawman if I'm describing your actual activies.

A strawman would be if I tried to imply that you were bullied for being gay, and now you live to take it out on people don't deserve it and have never hurt you. See, I don't KNOW that, I only suspect it... and so it's an unfounded stereotype.

You straight up tell people It's Not Bad When I Do It™ all the time, only you don't phrase it that way.

So, are you available to do this all day? I'm asking for a friend.

Perhaps you could take this opportunity to re-iterate your belief that institutional hatred and bigotry isn't just worse than, but actually justifies normal hatred and bigotry, as if saying that over and over and over whenever anyone calls you on your fucking bullshit makes it true.

I suppose as part of that, you could lie and insinuate that I said they were the same.

haha I fucking called it, again "good work" being utterly predictable and dishonest.

"A strawman would be if I tried to imply that you..."

That's not a strawman. A strawman is when you misrepresent your opponent's position rather than address their actual stance, if only there was a great example of that someplace convenient, oh wait:

"You straight up tell people It's Not Bad When I Do It™ all the time"

There you go, that's a strawman. Good job, you got there in the end despite squinting through your porky lids and burning out 3 of your 5 braincells in the process.

I eagerly await your trawling for evidence of me 'straight up' telling people that 'it's' not bad when I do 'it' (which you pointedly haven't bothered to define, unsurprisingly!) and all the goalpost shifting and mental gymnastics -shit even O'Keefe would balk at- to make the facts fit your fat and angry premise(s).

:^]

Calling Bawbag, come in Bawbag! Can you read me?

You are still a pussy.

Over.

"Perhaps you could take this opportunity to re-iterate your belief [insert bullshit]..."

Your first strawman already had you in a chokehold and you want to add another to the fight. Spectacularly embarrassing showing.

See, I can post replies to your replies before you post them also.

It's almost as if... you've got a shtick I know by heart and now you're just calling me fat because I said something not nice about you without actually naming you.

Can you do this all day? My mom needs to know how many trays of pizza rolls to make me.

"You are still a pussy."

No no Oscar, we've established that I'm an asshole and said a whole bunch of stuff in Manky Fatcordion's imagination that he is very, very cross about!

Anyway, you stoked now your bud Orcs is back?

I'm not interested in proving it for you, because we both know things you've said and I'm not going to go digging in your comment history just so you can hit back with "you're fat".

Speaking of which, doesn't it occur to you that I keep mentioning you calling me fat because I consider it really lazy and dumb, as far as insults to anonymous internet posters go?

Hey, guess who knows which game you're playing and is not going away?

Can you play all day? I need to know which size of diaper to put on.

"I'm not interested in proving it for You, because..."

1: that wOuld involve work which yoU are averse to
2: your brAin isn't limbeR enough for such advancEd mental gymnastics
3: you've dug your Failurehole too deep and hAve no option but to keep on
4: you're not capable of proving iT!

:^]

Oh dude you've got my number, all right?

Hey, what's up with all those weird caps in the middle of words?

I'm starting to get mad you're not answering my question. Seriously dude, I have to call my mom to let her know what time to come home from work and empty all my piss jugs.

Holy shit.

Great job proving Danth's law upthread. Even better that you had to follow my replies to someone else several hours after the fact to announce your 'victory'.

I'd laugh but honestly, that's just sad.

Monkey Nap lower down got the shit ripped out of him because he came out swinging first, so I decided to play but RoUS is literally talking about being so depressed he wanted to die (again, not for the first time) and I legit don't want him to come to any harm over some fucking dumb arguing on PoE.

I may be a troll and an asshole a lot of the time, but I legit don't wish that on anyone.

Monkey Napoleon
Aww yeah, don't fuck with bawbag. He fuckin DESTROYED me.






Man, you are so super good at characterizing things in the way they actually happened... I think you deserve a medal.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me if you can play all day.

Can you play all day?

pls respond

Oh, well you didn't want to play.

That's ok.

Hey, do me a favor? Come back after this falls off the front page and write a huge block of text full of really stupid points you think are really good, long after anyone would have any possibility of seeing it.

Thanks.

Are you -actually- incapable of seeing that you being mentioned was an aside to the part about RoUS? Holy fuck you really are as dumb as you seem.

You already Danth's law-ed yourself, no point in me flogging this dead horse any further. Night night Mardy Neapolitan, stay super mad :^]

Blasted!

You're right. I am soooo mad right now. I can't even articulate how mad I am over your scathing remarks.

Wait, hold on... this is really stupid even for you.

You're claiming I Danth'd myself, because I mocked you for claiming you ripped the shit out of me?

Didn't you kind of Danth yourself?

I think you did.

You are really good at this.

Hey man, why don't you head on down to the bottom of the page of elucidate more on the philosophical underpinnings of "it's ok when I do it?"

I'm sorry, that's a strawman.

"It's ok when I support having my government do it on my behalf."

Man, what was I thinking before? That's such a huge distinction, passing laws to enable the government silence political opposition rather than doing it yourself.

Mardi Gras, Danth's law is about you declaring your victory, specifically.

What in god's green fuck are you even blithering on about? Is this going to be leading up to a 'lol i wuz trollin you' backpedal ultimately because it will have to wait till the morning and I doubt any pedals could support your tottering bulk. :)

Night.

Away he walked, covered in glory from his totally not stupid fight, stubbornly believing he hasn't just been proving what an asshole he is all day. bawbag, a hero for the modern age. Master of calling people he's never seen and doesn't know fat, which is somehow ok and ethically consistent with his stated beliefs. bawbag, all man, big man, tough man. bawbag, he cares about your mental health. bawbag, not a piece of shit.

Hey monkey, shut your cock hole for a second and understand that poetv and poenews was never about some idiotic "all views are equal" or "teach the controversy" horseshit.

It was always leftist, and always made fun of conservative retards. but not so leftist that it wouldn't have made fun of the boenews morons and their Green Party circle jerks

That sounds cool SolRo.

Maybe you should give some serious thought to going back to that.

Or was it not obvious enough that I was talking about you, too?

Good job Manos: The hands of fat.

Quality keyboard usage!

The safest of spaces

You weren't given permission to think by yourself.

"I'm sorry I was a complete SJW tool on this site."

When? No offence meme, as I'm sure you probably lump me in with the 'regressives' or whatever but you've always seemed fairly close to centre on most things.

I never understood what people on here meant by SJW and I didn't think they existed. Let's just say it's not a good time when you realize why you don't see them. It's a form of authoritarianism founded on the idea that dissent should be silenced and people should be disenfranchised from society for that dissent, creating a state of inequality via mob rule.

John Stewart Mill wrote a lot about it.

Of course, it took poeTV a solid year to explain to me what a chav is, so I still maintain I am rather stupid.

'On Liberty' etc is a good read, but IMHO Popper's paradox of tolerance is a bit more along my line of thinking. Anyway, suffice to say I've never thought of you as stupid round here.

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal (Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies)."

Popper seems to equate the speech itself with the act of suppressing it in others. You can oppress the speech of others while remaining completely silent. Words are not equal to actions. The act of suppressing the speech of others is the unacceptable act, not what they have to say before, during, or after.

I am finding more and more that people have a serious problem seeing the difference between a word and an action, and want to take actions against words, using the words as an excuse to justify their actions. They tend to insist the actions are the lesser offense to the words, even if the words do far less damage. People tend more and more to be lead by the nose via the words of others, then blame the words for their inability to control their own actions.

Words are not magic, but actions leave an actual dent in causality.

This, I think, is the stark difference between Europe and the United States. Europe makes it a prison-worthy offense to say certain words. The United States is supposed to be, in theory, against that, though "progressives" are pushing really fucking hard to take that away.

I prefer dealing with the problems of uncensored speech to the problems of state violence being used to police peoples' words.

So when I hear about antifa groups in Europe going after people with violence for just speaking, I sort of see the argument for stand your ground laws. We live in a society where it shouldn't be acceptable to harm anyone over a word, and vigilantes who create victims over it are fair game with counteraction, at least according to all the philosophers borrowed from by our founders.

I agree with them.

Of course we should hold ourselves to a higher standard [than any given circle-jerking "hate mob hell" community does]. It's perhaps more important to be rational in general than correct in any particular instance, and being rational requires open-minded evaluation of competing arguments. I agree that it's unfortunate to lash out at someone with a different opinion, in part because that prevents you from discovering the source of the disagreement.

For my part, I've ever yelled back at EH, for instance, and I generally find him and some others rather tedious, but--kind of impressively tedious. I mean, I find most of humanity to be tedious, but people like EH who can create a long, tedious screed still deserve more credit than the dull-minded IRL folks I see every day who are too inarticulate to do more than grunt. I'm not interested in censoring EH, or orcs, or whomever. It's very easy to scroll past 'em, and once in a while they might make me laugh. This is the vestigial portal of EVIL, right?

I dunno. If someone says something shitty, they should be called out for it. At the same time, it's the Internet, so most of the things you encounter people saying will be shitty. I wonder, is there an ideal line for sites like this? I don't want to read a bunch of racist jackassery, e.g., on any given day, but I am philosophically opposed to user bans too (whence comes my default hug-it-out response to trolls).

Why indeed can't people shrug off tomfoolery (trolling) and ignorant posting? Rather than swinging axes or grinding out a huge, vitriolic diatribe, why not a quick "Uh, no" or an actual reasoned response? I suppose people are afriad that the "center of mass" of the discussion will swing toward stormfront or something. But it won't, and if it does, well, it's just a website. We must be careful when we stare at the troll, for the troll stares back...

Can you tell I'm putting off doing work?

Wow, you guys were chatting up a storm while I typed that.

I dunno, I thought the Popper quote was pretty interesting. On the one hand it contains a scary Orwellian justification for "intolerance for tolerance's sake," but on the other it raises the specter of people who won't accept any kind of argument.

Still, though, I'm not sure why one can't stick to one's "tolerance guns" until such time as the other side says "no more words" and escalates to action. I mean, why not be both willing to hear the other side and disposed to act against what you believe? Banning speech is like criminalizing vices: it doesn't dispel it, it just drives it out of sight. (Or the speech was pure trolling, in which case banning it was a waste of your energy.)

"I prefer dealing with the problems of uncensored speech..."

Is it possible though that the reason for this is that the speech in question does not keep a system of racial/ethnic oppression in place that directly harms you and yours? I mean there's plenty of actual philosophical and scientific data backing the idea that hate speech increases oppression, violence et al to the groups targeted by it.

For example in lots of parts of Europe right now, the far-right rhetoric has been whipped up to fever-pitch and there's a related massive rise in anti-[insert local migrant for target country] violence in the countries that have the loudest mouthpieces.

While I think governments should be wary of what they define as hate speech (slippery slopes etc) I don't think having that conversation led by the professionals in the field -as representatives of the people unduly harmed- is so great an injustice to the freedom to use 'words' as the actions that harm the minorities are.

It's almost a 'least harm principle' in effect. 'Do as thou wilt so long as it harm no other' codified.

John Stuart Popper is known to have said "But you
Why you wanna give me a run-around
Is it a sure-fire way to speed things up
When all it does is slow me down. Gastric bypass is an ugly thing but not so ugly as the groupies were before I got stapled."

Bawbag, are you a chick?

" I suppose people are afriad that the "center of mass" of the discussion will swing toward stormfront or something."

The issue is that this is happening IRL to a lesser/greater extent (dependant on perspective) and the online sphere is a microcosm of that, it doesn't exist in a vacuum and speech online is just as much the public square of old, a shaper of opinion, of thought and that thought shapes our realities.

If I come at it hard here, it's because I'm witnessing the rot in my hometown, I'm seeing it creeping in all over Europe, this mindless, backwards ethnic/racial nationalism and bigotry of the kind that hasn't been seen in this strength in decades.

It bodes terribly for us given Europe's dark chapters throughout history and my feeling is that we've begun yet another.

"Is it possible though that the reason for this is that the speech in question does not keep a system of racial/ethnic oppression in place that directly harms you and yours? I mean there's plenty of actual philosophical and scientific data backing the idea that hate speech increases oppression, violence et al to the groups targeted by it."

Without taking action no word has power. Your own argument uses an increase in violence to justify policing words. The violence is already a crime. Address the violence, it is action based, which is my argument. If you use the words of others to punish them for the violent actions of someone else, this creates a categorical enemy, which is what authoritarians do to justify oppressing large populations.

If you are being controlled by words alone, without violence against you, you are the one taking the oppressive action on yourself. But that's my opinion, let's say you're correct, at least for a certain percentage of the population who do not have a concept of ignoring words, or disobedience in general.

Which is an easier oppression to undermine? Speech that controls a person's actions, or humans with weapons that control a person's actions? The former requires a better argument, or a smear campaign, or a well placed joke. Words can be destroyed by other words. The latter involves picking up a weapon and harming someone, even killing them.

The former is preferable to the latter if you see lives as more important than opinions. People can change their minds, no one returns from the dead. You cannot guarantee any power will be used by people you always agree with. If that power lies in words, you're better able to fight back. If it lies in physical violence, you will have to take up an armed revolt.

I choose words.

We all have an instinct to fight against that which we disagree with. I am not saying fascists should be enabled, only that punishing their actions and their words should not use the same apparatus of violence. Pragmatically, punishing words drives people underground into echo chambers, which will put them in a position where they will see the oppression of their words with violence when they have not committed any violence as a sign they too live in an oppressive society. It teaches them that the world works on this kind of oppression, and that is how they will model themselves.

Do not oppress their ideology, or their words, punish their crimes.

It takes a bit of mindfulness of human nature to maintain this kind of society. It isn't easy, but it is more effective.

"Address the violence, it is action based, which is my argument."

I get that, but incitement is itself an action, with violent consequences for those targeted. When hate speech is allowed to flourish we stand to lose the foundations of civil society defending an ideal rather than defending those it is supposed to serve: the people.

Where we draw the line on what constitutes incitement is the main point of difference between US free speech (which obviously still has incitement exceptions eg.yelling fire in a theater) and European ideas of free speech which proscribe hate speech in varying amounts from country to country (or under the agreed upon conventions of the ECHR to various degrees).

This is true, incitement is a tough one. On the one hand, even Americans hate that shit, but on the other, we try to hold to our ideals, so we get pedantic about it as a compromise.

When people marched with the big giant BLM banner chanting "what do we want, dead cops, when do we want them, NOW" it bugged (some of) us, but at the same time, they didn't tell anyone to give them what they wanted, only that they wanted it. The people in hell want icewater, after all. Is the pedantics a solution to the issue? Nope, but we have a belief that continuing to talk about it will help mitigate the violence in the long run. We can save the lives of black people and police officers by not giving into the words with pre-emptive violence. And no one sane suggested categorizing everyone in BLM who do not call for dead cops as on par with the ones who do. Individuality is still slightly higher on our social hierarchy than any collective. We prefer it this way. We do not want a society where might makes right (only a foreign policy).

On a personal note, talking about this issue on poeTV is still far better than the USA and Europe waging a war over it, right? Hell, one day you may have a government that decides to relax the blasphemy laws and you can yell at each other about it, and we may have a Congress that enshrines them against us and we will yell about that too. So long as speaking out against those laws isn't punishable with violence, none of us will have to kill the fuckers to have them addressed.

Not saying it is a perfect system, just that the pros outweigh the cons most days.

Which blasphemy laws are you referring to?

The UK did away officially with blasphemous libel in 2006 and specifically blasphemy in 2008 but neither had been prosecuted since a politically-motivated (The House of Lords) one-off in the 70s (Whitehouse vs Lemon) and before that William Gott in the 20s.

"Blasphemy law" is a blanket term we use for any censorship of speech, not just religious.

This one is low hanging fruit, I admit, but come on, he's so cute! Whosawiddle fascist, you are! You are!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/09/nazi-salute-do g-man-faces-hate-crime-charge-scotland

Hate speech is ugly, but hate speech laws are ugly too, and not cute ugly like a pugdog.

Check out Canada's blasphemy laws.
http://centreforinquiry.ca/canadas-blasphemous-libel-law/

I love the term "good faith," it's a red flag that the person who says it is literally Hitler (tis a joke). Saying "I find Christianity a less than ideal social motivator of virtue" is good. Saying "Christianity is a dog raping donkey cock sucking whore religion" is crime.

Fuck Canada.

Keith Olbermann calls the Donald a "Russian whore" and says "we will get you" on his twitter feed (he is Alex Jones level of nuts, it is awesome). In Singapore that's insta-prison. We don't tolerate peoples' dumbass words here lightly, the alternative seems way worse and plenty of other countries show us how bad it can get.

Canada seems worse to you? I've lived there, it's lovely for the most part, not some sort of Gilliam-esque hellscape (excluding Alberta).

In terms of blasphemy laws, yes. Imagine if a religious body like the Russian Orthodox Church had power there? It would be a hellscape. That law sits waiting for someone to use it.

It's got to be a PoETV record of some kind hahaha