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Meerkat - 2018-02-18

Or maybe they're just dicks.

Old_Zircon - 2018-02-18

You could say that about anyone. Even Gandhi was a racist, classiest womanizer. Rickety is the universal human condition so it hardly bears mentioning.

Cena_mark - 2018-02-18

Gandhi had flaws, but his own prejudices aren't his defining message and legacy. Prejudice is a key part of the alt-right message.

dairyqueenlatifah - 2018-02-18

Well Cena, the problem with your assertion is that no one actually knows what the hell "alt-right" means. Everyone I've asked that question has given me a completely different definition, ranging from Trump supporter, to libertarian, to socialist, to anarchist, to anti-zionist jew, to literal nazi. No one agrees on what that label means, and apparently the only way someone actually is a member of the "alt-right" is if they say they are.

Binro the Heretic - 2018-02-18

Gandhi was the classiest womanizer.

Anaxagoras - 2018-02-18

DQL: That just means you're hanging around ppl that aren't good at definitions. Hell, if you ask ppl to define words like "love" or "respect", you would also get a bunch of different definitions. That doesn't mean the words are useless, or that they don't refer to actual things.

In the case of "alt-right", all the "definitions" you gave are actually examples, rather than definitions. (Well, except "socialist" and "anarchist", which are both just plain wrong.) The fact they're all different just means that several different groups are included inin "alt-right". BTW, a reasonable definition of "alt-right" is probably something like "An umbrella term that refers to a variety of far-right groups." There. That's a decent working definition.

Anaxagoras - 2018-02-18

Oh, by the way, Cena is right: prejudice *is* a key part of their message. That's why libertarians often deserve to be included in the "alt-right" Sure, they rarely explicitly say prejudiced things, but their prejudice is often underlying their message.

What complicates the libertarians is that some of them are honest about their beliefs, and really are fine with whites getting screwed by libertarian policies. Those principled libertarians aren't really better people, but at least they don't deserve to be labeled "alt-right".

Meerkat - 2018-02-18

Just as an ex-online gamer, I have seen the "scene" go from a bunch of people having fun shooting each other and accusing particularly good players of using "aimbots" to being a complete and utter cesspool of racism, misogyny and hostility. Hence the "ex-" part.

The sad thing is a lot of them are only being dicks for "the lulz" and if you meet them in person they are not really bad people. It's like dogs. You can have a really nice dog but you put that little bastard in a pack and suddenly you are bundling your toddlers into the car when you see them coming.

Regardless of whether you are punching someone in the head because you genuinely hate their race or for "the lulz" that person is still being punched in the head.

Cena_mark - 2018-02-18

The libertarians mostly turned out to be fascists. They've been yammering on about personal liberty for years, then mostly went in the bag for the authoritarian Trump. Libertarians will likely send people to concentration camps if it means a tax cut.

Cena_mark - 2018-02-18

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-insidious-libertarian-to-alt-rig ht-pipeline

Cena_mark - 2018-02-18

Remember how just about all libertiarians were marking out super hard for Ron Paul when he ran for president in 08 and 12? Turns out he had some very racist blemishes in his record, such as his newsletters, which included white supremecist race war paranoia. This caused little concern to most libertarians.

Old_Zircon - 2018-02-18

Let's not forget about this:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/heres-how-breitbart-a nd-milo-smuggled-white-nationalism

I'm no big fan of Buzzfeed and their role in the decline of journalism and the general dumbing down of the English speaking world (which is small compared to that of, say, Breitbart, but still sucks) but unless they literally fabricated their sources, then they're just the conduit here.

Unrelated: last year I encountered a guy at work who genuinely believed that Andrew Breitbart was assasinated by a government-backed conspiracy of leftists and SJWs to silence the alt-right, and was actually approaching strangers and butting in to their conversations to talk about it.

Fortunately one of the strangers was an actual professional journalist specializing in international politics with a focus on Russia, and has had two different coworkers (so far) actually literally poisoned by the Russian government while on assignment work over 20 years, and summarily tore him a new asshole almost literally, which didn't convince him a bit but did keep him from ever coming back.

Not relevant to the conversation, just felt like sharing.

poorwill - 2018-02-18

I remember asserting to some online libertarian cumsock a decade ago that libertarian was fundamentally incompatible with democracy and is even inherently totalitarian. It seems a lot of libertarians agree.

Nikon - 2018-02-18

What's wrong with peace, love, and ethics in gaming journalism?

Cena_mark - 2018-02-18

It was never about that. It was just a sexist mob.

Nikon - 2018-02-18

Nope. They wanted product reviews instead of identity politics and
for conflicts of interest to be disclosed.

https://medium.com/@oliverbcampbell/gamergate-was-always-about -ethics-in-game-journalism-but-let-s-get-specific-7e441f7182c3

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:mbNSWqTid ygJ:www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/09/15/gamergate-a-year-i n-review/+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Cena_mark - 2018-02-18

Nope, it was always just a frothing hateful mob, which later morphed into the alt-right.

https://acvoice.com/2014/11/03/gamergate-no-it-isnt-about-ethi cs-in-gaming-journalism/

Cena_mark - 2018-02-18

One of your souces is Breitbart! That pretty much shows that anyone still defending gamergaters is a sexist/racist piece of shit. Get out of here with that.

Nikon - 2018-02-19

So if someone disagrees with you, they're racist and/or sexist?
Nice confirmation bias.

Cena_mark - 2018-02-19

I don't need to touch water to see if it's wet, I don't need to smell shit to see if it smells like shit, and I don't need to read a Breitbart article to see if it's biased towards the reich wing.

Cena_mark - 2018-02-19

I don't call Breitbart racist and sexist because they disagree with me, I call them racist and sexist cause they AGREE with racists and sexists. They push a white supremecist agenda. Just check out their review of Black Panther.

Nikon - 2018-03-09

But there are supremacist elements in Black Panther. If they say the sky is up, they're not wrong. Even if they have a narrative bias in their writing, they are not always wrong.

As for gaming, I can say that it was better before offendatrons moved in. They didn't respect the skill necessary to play well, and they didn't try to get along with the existing player base. Instead they demanded that the games get easier and complained when the existing base pushed back, as was only natural. Instead of simply ignoring art they didn't like, they harrassed developers and tried to get it changed. Fortunately people are now realizing they don't have to pay attention to the demands of the crazy alt left. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DX0mZeuVAAM1X8o.jpg

Maggot Brain - 2018-02-18

eh~ his video on "The Great Replacement" is better.

Old_Zircon - 2018-02-18

I agree.

Old_Zircon - 2018-02-18

But that doesn't make this one bad.

Anaxagoras - 2018-02-19

Wow. I am *really* digging this guy's other content. Thanks for posting this!

Zoot42 - 2018-02-18

Pretty good. As a "Gurl gamur" who has spent her whole life and a great deal of my childhood defining myself that way, I was really disappointed by all these people who could have once been my friends going totally nuts with the alt-right thing.

Looking back on it I always had made a subconscious distinction of "gamer guys who I could hang out with" and "gamer guys who I can't hang out with." The first group were good people who played videogames. The second group is dudes who are obviously sexist or messed up or something and I knew because I was a women I could never hang out with them. I tried approaching the second group multiple times out of my naiveté , thinking there must have been something wrong with me that that wouldn't accept me.

Anyway, what I'm saying is that I think all this hostility has been there the whole time in some people and it's not really worth it to argue with them

Monkey Napoleon - 2018-02-18

When I was a lot younger, it was very difficult for me to watch the "gentrification" of certain subcultures long associated with social outcasts.

It's not crazy for these people to want their communities to stay insular. They will never be able to fit into normal society, and it isn't because they're fundamentally bad people, but like you say they're fucked up. Coming up through life as an outcast leaves mental scars on people, and something that's easy to forget these days is it kind of doesn't matter what snowflake subset you're defined as... how fucked up it leaves people depends on their subjective experience.

They're very angry because they see themselves being pushed out of the few places they can actually fit in, and it leads to them projecting these things onto people who don't deserve their anger. There's a nugget of truth to it. This is why even though I'm past it, I will never be down on these types of people... no matter what they do.

Also this website is festering dogshit where "frog men" are an army 10 million strong who got Trump elected and are the root cause of racism, and extremist liberal shit babies who want the government to micromanage every aspect of your life because they'll feel bad if they don't either don't exist or are so small in number as to be irrelevant.

poorwill - 2018-02-18

Lol, eat shit Monkey Napoleon you dumb fucking animal.

Old_Zircon - 2018-02-18

"Also this website is festering dogshit where "frog men" are an army 10 million strong who got Trump elected and are the root cause of racism, "

No, that's what they claim themselves. I can't speak for anyone else here, but I (and the guy who made the video, as he clearly states many times) think that's clearly bullshit.

"extremist liberal"

Isn't that a contradiction? Liberalism is center right ideology, if anything. Maybe center left on social issues. But centrist either way. I'm with you on your criticism of the liberal tendency toward micromanaging while conveniently ignoring real, systemic problems, though.

I can't follow the rest of the paragraph, I think you must have bumped your trackpad and moved some words around there because it doesn't actually make any sense and there seem to be words missing and other words repeated in weird way.

As far as the first part, the gamergate types ARE the gentrifiers, as Zoot42's anecdote clearly illustrates.The same pattern played out in a bunch of different corners of the Internet over the last 12 years or so. WE saw it on places like 4chan (I'm talking mostly but not entirely about /pol/ and /b/ obviously) and ED where communities that were steeped in ironic use of deliberately offensive imagery and language saw a massive influx of younger users, many of whom didn't understand the social context of the mostly ironic racism and sexism and general antagonism-for-its-own-sake toward mainstream cultural taboos (i.e. "lulz"), which then attracted literal white supremacists, primarily from Stormfront, who found them to be useful tools for spreading their narrative and even recruitment. Don't take my word for it, they are pretty open about it themselves:


Why do you think Moot and Girlvinyl severed ties with and tried to distance themselves from their respective sites around the same time?

I am 100% on the same page without about the gentrification of subcultures and all that - it's actually a big issue in my non-Internet life, since I've lived in a few East Coast cities and watched it destroy a bunch of local subcultures relentlessly over and over as they emerge, for decades now. But you're misidentifying the gentrifiers here.

I'm sure there are some weird inconsistencies and typos and generally confusing language in that but a friend I haven't seen in 3 years is in from out o town and jsut showed up, so I don't have time to proofread it or anything. Althoguh even if I did I proably wouldn't, I rarely do.


Monkey Napoleon - 2018-02-18

Right after you, you crybaby bitch.

Raggamuffin - 2018-02-18

If your subculture lets you be a a racist asshole, it wasn't worth a shit to begin with.

If your subculture is pushing you out because you can't be an asshole anymore, what that means is your subculture is getting better but you're just as shit as you always were.

The world is full of people who grew up in bad situations and have mental scars, but who nevertheless manage to be kind, empathetic and not racist. Being an adult means that you don't get to blame other people for something that you do.

In short, please get over yourself.

Monkey Napoleon - 2018-02-18

Please, point to where I said people should be able to be racist or an asshole without being pushed out of their communities.

These are *damaged* people, and you shouldn't feel comfortable laying all of societies problems at their feet. You shouldn't feel comfortable constantly pointing and laughing at them day in and day out, while having absolutely 0 (ZERO) sense of humor when it comes to yourself.

Especially the people around here. They have nothing to feel superior about.

Cena_mark - 2018-02-18

Fuck these racists. They don't need coddling. They need to be shamed and pushed out. That way even if they remain racist, they'll keep it to themselves. They won't be recruiting or normalizing. You're position allows racism to become normalized.

Zoot42 - 2018-02-19

Monkey Napoleon, are you calling me a "gentrifier" of gaming? These guys were just as old as I was at the time. I wasn't taking anything away from them, it's silly to make something as simple as playing video games some sort of exclusive group.

Cena_mark - 2018-02-19

Yeah, people who define their identities by a form of entertainment they use are dorks.

Space Odin - 2018-02-20

If you want "gentrification" try on Milo Youwannapopsomezits' base opportunism on for size. He went from guy who mocked people who played video games as sweaty dorms into Gamergate Jesus (by way of being Breitbart's House faggot) in less than a year.


BHWW - 2018-02-19

If you're still fulminating about Gamergate in the year 2018, one way or another, you really need to stop.


fedex - 2018-02-19


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