It's not illegal to attend a Trump rally. Does he have a prior record or not?

Just deflection....trump/cop supporter murders two unarmed BLM protesters BUT HE HELPED CLEAN GRAFFITI SO HE CANT. E THAT BAD!!

Too bad he can't plead affluenza.

Apologies for the Salon link, but I'll read anyone who has an interview with my personal favorite Cassandra, Greg Palast. Read down through the interview, where he suggests a plausible-sounding to me scenario by which right-wing vigiliantes ensure a Constitutionally valid victory for Trump on election day.

https://www.salon.com/2020/08/25/investigative-reporter-greg-p alast-trumps-plans-to-steal-the-election-go-well-beyond-the-mail/

The part about militias has already happened at the Idaho capitol.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/26/politics/idaho-coronavirus-figh t-brad-little/index.html

http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=177293

Fox-Pixar, really you spam your shitty video during discussions of a national tragedy!

Get the fuck out of here FPM.. YOU ARE ANNOYING, YOU SPAM THE SAME COMMENTS, AND YOU SPAM VIDEOS YOU MADE IN THE HOPPER.

difficult to imagine someone less suited to this moment than Joe Biden

I never thought I'd say that Hillary was a better candidate than anyone else, but here we are.

The really stunning thing is that I've been listening to "omg fascism" from liberals going on four years now, and here is a situation where civilian rightwing paramilitaries are allying with police to kill minorities and leftists, which is like *textbook* fascism, and we hear crickets from them. They're more upset about the stupid rose garden.

Uh... Biden talked with the Blake family and condemned the original shooting and violence yesterday. You disingenuous mongs.

Buddy you seem confused, this video is about Kyle Rittenhouse and how he coordinated with Kenosha police. Biden has said nothing about that. Neither has the "top cop" VP.

And Biden's "condemnation" of the Blake shooting is limited to him saying the words "police shot a man in front of his kids" and nothing more, unless I'm missing something. He spent more time lamenting the property damage.

Really, no one is worse than joe Biden right now? Can’t think of even one person?

Jesus fuck you’re such a transparent republican shill.

Sol in your opinion what would be an appropriate response by the Dem nominee for POTUS to these developments? Surely it can't just be radio silence, or just tears for the burned car dealership.

This is the kind of issue where the Dems should be eager to show how they are different. Am I unreasonable to expect leadership from somebody that feels entitled to my vote?

If only joe Biden went on a twitter rant the instant someone mentioned the shooting may be spun for political gain then we could trust him!

Every single word you post makes you look dumber.

How many days should we wait before we can find out whether Biden and Harris think that police coordinating with racist militias is a good or a bad thing?

Crackersmack, what you're choosing to pretend is important really is not important at all.

And we can all see that.

You are literally just attempting to help trump win, and i'm not sure why you're here trying to convince a very small group of people who already have ample reason not to trust your motives as pure.

Ive also asked you, "Okay, so instead of voting for biden, what should we do? Not vote? Vote for trump? Write in Baba O'Jay?"

And you haven't said shit. Because that would be giving up the game.

"Really, no one is worse than joe Biden right now? Can’t think of even one person?"

I guess Buttigieg?

Gmork I apologize for being unclear: you should definitely not vote. If you really want to vote, you should vote strategically for the Green Party to try to help them meet the 5% threshold for public funding. But voting for either of the two major party candidates hoping to reduce harm is just delusional.

I hate to say this, but since the Trump presidency runs more or less on fear, I think that the fear a lot of conservative white people have of black people burning their cities down is one of the only things that could actually give Donald the election at this point. And I think that Joe Biden knows it.

Of course, Donald is absolutely the chaos candidate here, but old animosities run deep, and Trump's been pushing those fears a lot lately. He promised white suburban moms that he'd preserve their Suburban Lifestyle Dream by keeping poor folks and minorities out of their neighborhoods. That was too transparent -- and too dated -- to actually work, but fear is still a powerful motivator. Rioting black people, however justified, scares the shit out of a lot of white people. This is something that might cause a lot of conservatives and moderates who know that Trump's been an ineffective president to actually consider voting for him again. So Biden has a pretty fine line to walk here. He needs to condemn this sort of vigilante action, but he also needs to reassure white Midwestern voters that he's serious about keeping order, too.

The riots we've been seeing are, to an extent, justified. But they also might end up handing the election to Donald Trump, albeit not intentionally.

Also I don't think Buttigieg is worse than Biden, but only because he is young and unlikely to hold elected office ever again.

Miss Henson I guess just trying to get those "rioting black people" to vote for Biden by, I don't know, adopting popular policy that they want is just out of the question, right?

We're always gonna play this game where we pretend that Democrats have to appeal to these non-existent "moderates" and then act surprised when they lose, right?

The Kenosha police department killed a citizen and then coordinated with terrorists who killed more Americans. At a minimum, they should be disbanded and investigated in detail. Send in federal forces to do that and keep order. No response short of that is worth considering.

Miss Henson's 6th grade class: that's a pretty good analysis of the electoral situation.

I really don't think, however, that Democrats are ever going to be able to assure "moderate" conservatives that they'll be Tough On Crime. They keep trying, they keep losing, they never learn. White moderates are real worried about scary black people looting and rioting, and they're probably going to vote for Trump again because of that, even though he's gross and dumb.

Running on no policies, banking on suburban moderates, and alienating people they need to turn out in large numbers seems to me like a real bad strategy that basically leaves them unable to respond to a major crisis.

I'm confused on the argument that is being asserted here. Why is it necessary for Biden to comment on this kid? Or why is it necessary that he, Biden, comment in X number of hours?

Like, we're getting the verdict that y'all think Biden = bad in virtue of not commenting on this kid or something, but why should that be granted in the first place?

I'm sure the Democrat leadership knows that Biden is going to lose, and they don't care because they also know that irreversible demographic changes will give them a permanent lock on the presidency within the next couple election cycles.

If I were them, I'd continue encouraging the plebs to destroy concrete and glass. Anything to distract their attention away from the fact that I've been selling them down the river for decades.

I'm sure they're much less worried about 4 more years of ineffectual leadership ('monitoring the situation') from Trump than their thoroughly gaslit base.

"I'm sure the Democrat leadership knows that Biden is going to lose, and they don't care because they also know that irreversible demographic changes will give them a permanent lock on the presidency within the next couple election cycles."

On what grounds would the "Democratic leadership" know that? Also, who is the this "Democratic leadership" you speak of?

I don't know about you, but at work today the #1 topic of conversation was the protests and the shootings. It's going to be the lead story on every news show tonight. The whole country is watching this. We know where Trump and the Republicans stand. Where does the opposition stand?

Instead of apologizing to me for being unclear, you should consider apologizing for your intellectual dishonesty in attempting to help the more obviously destructive candidate her elected.

You can keep pretending biden is somehow more dangerous but there's literally nothing you can say to support that.

Qanon is becoming mainstream gop and trump is enabling it. If you don't seriously consider the possibility of an American civil war, you are deluding only yourself.

Both sides understand it is likely. I'm genuinely baffled how you came to the conclusion that it's not looming as a distinct probability. If you must continually assert the unsupportable position that trump and biden pose the same risk policy-wise, you must then concede that all else being equal, it behooves us to choose the candidate who is NOT egging his base headlong into a reenactment of the book Siege.

*get

oh wow, the guy who's been downvoting every video that makes trump look bad and who downvoted the alexi navalny video is now pushing the motherfucking green party as a solution

holy shit color me impressed guys

There won't be another Civil War. Assuming Trump wins (he will), we're looking at 4 more years of astroturfed, system-sanctioned rebellion in designated riot zones. Order will be restored when demographic changes make it impossible for a Republican to win the presidency ever again, at which point we can go back to the good old days of corporate-sponsored center-leftist rule.

Void - as unlikely as it is that you are correct, i sincerely hope you are.

I don't think a real civil war is a probability, because the real military is overwhelmingly black, and no one has seen Trumps incompetence more close up than the military leadership. They won't support him. The militias will only last about 15 minutes longer than the real army lets them.

But anything is possible. There is no map for where we re going. I'm not going to bother scaring myself to death listening to anarchist podcasts about the next Civil War. They don't know the future, and if they did, knowing won't do me much good. I guess I should be ready to I die, I'm more expendable than most. If someone wants to kill me, I probably won't be able to stop him. I just intend to make sure that killing me is not as much fun as he expected.

Gmork why do you think that the unrest would end with Biden's election? Or that the police would be more humane? Obama's 8 years disproves this.

Trump "egging people on" isn't why this is happening. You don't actually believe this, do you?

What is happening right now is the result of impoverished communities being under assault by brutally violent police for decades. Biden isn't going to change this, in fact legislation that Biden wrote is directly responsible for much of it.

The violent right-wing militias don't disappear on November 4th. Biden is going to give *more* money to police. They aren't going to be held responsible by the guy that wrote the 94 crime bill or by California's former "top cop".

Just like Trumpers, you guys are seeing only what you want to see. You're imagining that Biden agrees with you on things he provably does not. You're imaging a record for the guy that does not exist. You're filling in the blanks in your knowledge with fanciful conspiracy theories. Just like Trumpers.

Right wing militias are shooting people in the streets and being patted on the back by cops, and teeth is here crying about "downvoting things that make Trump look bad" and "Navalny" w/e that is. You all are fucking caricatures of liberals.

And you are promoting a fascist

the fascists are the police, and the guy you're voting for doesn't see any problem with them

https://tinyurl.com/y6eg9qy8

"This Is How Biden Loses"

Corn Pop & Top Cop aren't taking a strong enough stance versus an out of control brutal police state.

John Holmes, i'm not sure what 'anarchist' podcast you're referring to, because I don't listen to any.

"Gmork why do you think that the unrest would end with Biden's election? Or that the police would be more humane? Obama's 8 years disproves this."

Those certainly are words all next to each other. I'll answer when you somehow connect those words to reality. The amount of idiotic baked-in assumptions is astounding. You actually think people out there assume voting in a new president will cause a wave of mental changes across the police force? What? Who exactly said that was an expectation, ever?

"Trump "egging people on" isn't why this is happening. You don't actually believe this, do you?"

You made an assertion with nothing to back it up, and a mountain of evidence to the contrary. The republican party has been heading this direction since Phyllis Schlaffley, and a trump presidency has ABSOLUTELY seen an acceleration of the fascist playbook and ramping up of right wind rhetoric as well as violent tendencies. American militias have never been more loud, angry and openly salivating for the murder of liberals as they are today.

"What is happening right now is the result of impoverished communities being under assault by brutally violent police for decades. Biden isn't going to change this, in fact legislation that Biden wrote is directly responsible for much of it."

That's nice. The other candidate is going to continually make things worse, so you're arguing that i shouldn't vote to minimize damage.

No. Your ploy failed.

"The violent right-wing militias don't disappear on November 4th. Biden is going to give *more* money to police. They aren't going to be held responsible by the guy that wrote the 94 crime bill or by California's former "top cop"."

You have a time machine? You know exactly how biden is going to run an administration if in office? Neat.

When you start making an argument for how biden is going to be WORSE than trump, I'm all ears. So far all you've done is say "BIDEN ISNT GOING TO MAGICALLY FIX EVERYTHING SO DONT VOTE FOR HIM". Nobody expects biden to fix anything. That was never the point, and I'm embarrassed for you that you even think you could say that without being called out for it.

"Just like Trumpers, you guys are seeing only what you want to see."

That is incorrect. I'm not sure how you can make that assertion. To make it, you had to bake in assumptions you have no way of knowing are true.

"You're imagining that Biden agrees with you on things he provably does not."

No, I'm not.

"You're imaging a record for the guy that does not exist."

No, I'm not.

"You're filling in the blanks in your knowledge with fanciful conspiracy theories."

No, I'm not, and I'm getting tired of watching you make baseless assertions . It's intellectually dishonest and quite frankly pathetic to watch.

"Just like Trumpers."

Saying a thing repeatedly does not make it true.

Honestly, I don't know what I was expecting from you but what I imagined you'd say was more intelligent than.... whatever this was.

Things biden isn't trying to do that trump absolutely is and has already demonstrated is his desire:

End social security
Appoint people to positions with the sole intention of ruining the function of that system and privatizing everything possible
Become president dictator for life

Do I need more things on this list? There are a ton, but it's early and I really shouldn't need more than that if you're even a somewhat intelligent or reasonable person.

http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=177293

I also recommend every podcast that Robert Evans is on. It could Happen Here, Worst Year Ever, and Behind the Bastards.

I also recommend the qanon anonymous podcast. Very thorough and clearly chronicled trail of the rise of this cristofascist cult.

...and if it comes to that, I'm sure you'll sit on your hands until every single one of your compatriots is without flaw and aligns with your personal ideology perfectly

Teethsalad - i think you placed your hilariously inaccurate Democrat strawmam argument in the wrong post. It seems very non-sequitur based on the original and my reply.

You didn't think I'd watch your link, did you? Show me the time stamp where Biden mentions the shooting done by Kyle Rittenhouse in cooperation with Kenosha Police. *Not* the shooting of Jacob Blake.

The time stamp? Why, it's right here, in my pants.

I'm not going to watch this again right now. If I was confused about what I was jackals last, I'll acknowledge it. I am certainly capable of confusing two similar stories, but there's no confusion about the fact that you're still a jackass.

bro you have nothing but spare time

Spare time or not, arguing with your astroturfer ass is a waste of it.

When I'm cornered in Risk, I consolidate my remaining forces, sacrifice my least-important territory, and wait for the dice gods to turn against my older brother, all in the hope that I might hold out long enough to cash a set of cards and regain momentum at some point in the future.

I get the sense crackersmack flips the table and tells everyone he wasn't even trying and it's a shitty game anyway.

(Which it is.)

Reply to teethsalad

I think you and teeth are on the same side on POEWAR: BIDEN, but they thought you were an enemy combatant because we like the same podcast? Tragic how this conflict has turned brother against brother.

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>>>difficult to imagine someone less suited to this moment than Joe Biden

>On my home planet, which is called Earth (you should visit sometime)
>, Biden is considered the best person for the moment, because he is >the Democratic Nominee. Before he was the Democratic nominee, >many people thought someone else was the best person for the >moment. But that was anotjher moment.

It does not follow from "all I have is a squirt gun to defend against a grizzly bear attack" that "a squirt gun is an effect bear deterrent."

On the police riots, Biden can't simultaneously appeal to his base and to the moderates he's counting on. Trump can. That Biden is the nominee doesn't change this.

>>>>It does not follow from "all I have is a squirt gun to defend against a grizzly bear attack" that "a squirt gun is an effect bear deterrent."

Biden is leading. OKAY, everybody knows Clinton was leading four years ago, but nevertheless, ahead is where you want to be. Being ahead is still considered an advantage. Sometimes it feels like if Trump was ahead, some Democrats would be less spooked. It does not follow that "a shotgun didn't stop the bears four years ago, so this time we need a squirt gun. "

>>>On the police riots, Biden can't simultaneously appeal to his base and to the moderates he's counting on. Trump can. That Biden is the nominee doesn't change this.

I think that this is your convoluted way of acknowledging that the moderates are Biden's to lose. Nice convoluting there.

But I think its bullshit. The base of Democratic party is not pro-riot.

538 has Trump at better odds now than he was at in Nov 2016. The trend recently has been in Trump's favor. A few recent polls (possibly outliers) have shown him up in battleground states.

Weird how doing the exact same thing that led to Trump winning 2016 doesn't seem to be working. Who could have foreseen this.

If Biden does win (I'm just going to assume it's 50/50 and ignore polls until november) four years all the same shit continuing (Biden doesn't even pretend to have a plan to fix, say, police violence) without Trump to blame will not be a great check on the rise of American Fascism. It will, in fact, only further discredit Democrats as a viable alternative.

Squirt gun.

>the moderates are Biden's to lose

I had forgotten to put "moderates" in scare quotes. There are no moderate conservatives. Every Republican who doesn't like Trump has a six figure pundit gig on MSNBC or the WAPO. Polling bears this out, but the "believe science" party doesn't want to look at data.

>The base of Democratic party is not pro-riot.

The fact that you've accepted the Republican framing of this issue doesn't augur well for how the narrative is going to play out in the next few months.

ME: The base of Democratic party is not pro-riot.

YOU: The fact that you've accepted the Republican framing of this issue doesn't augur well for how the narrative is going to play out in the next few months.

ME: ????????

John the only riots that are happening are the ones that police are committing against peaceful protestors, but I'm glad to see you becoming more open about your racism. "very fine people on both sides" indeed.

Civil unrest happens when conditions cause it. Police brutality and economic desperation, combined with absolute frustration at addressing these politically, will cause protests and chaos.

Blaming individuals or communities for this is just a way to avoid dealing with the conditions causing it. If your response to the recent uprising is "oh no the starbucks got vandalized, we have to be sure to condemn that," you've already accepted the basic framework of the Republican response to George Floyd.

The Democratic party exists divert and neutralize the will of poor people, workers, and minorities. The fact that their response to an unprecedented mass movement of their "base" is "hey guys, tone it down you're scaring imaginary moderates who voted for our opponent" is the strongest possible example of this.

'Do I look like a radical socialist with a soft spot for rioters? Really?' Joe Biden today.

In a contest to show scared suburbanites who will protect them from scary black looters and antifa, Trump will win.

If you want to win, you don't play your opponent's game.

http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=177293

If you make a short video on YouTube where you give a shout out to PoeTV and post it here, we'll start voting up your videos in the hopper.

Don’t. We don’t need a bunch of nazis nesting here due to lack of moderation.

Does anyone remember my finest moment?


http://www.73q.com/video.php?vid=117587

>>>>If Biden does win (I'm just going to assume it's 50/50 and ignore polls until november) four years all the same shit continuing (Biden doesn't even pretend to have a plan to fix, say, police violence) without Trump to blame will not be a great check on the rise of American Fascism. It will, in fact, only further discredit Democrats as a viable alternative.

Thank you, Nostra Dumbass.

Let me repeat: I don't really know what's going to happen in November, I cannot predict it. I can't control it. However, I can choose not engage with a dreary, pedantic Cassandra of Crap. You clearly have an agenda, but your agenda seems to be as a purveyor of misery. If you supported Trump, there would at least be a recognizable human desire in your magical.

>>>Weird how doing the exact same thing that led to Trump winning 2016 doesn't seem to be working. Who could have foreseen this.

But it's not "exactly" the same thing. What the fuck are you talking about? Please don't answer that, I don't care.

If they had something different (and again, I didn't pick Biden) would you stop being a black hole where all hope and joy goes to die? Why are you so fucking terrible?

There are reasons why you're wrong. Not that bad things can't happen. but bad things aren't exclusively ordained by whatever dark, malevolent HP Lovecraft force you serve. Good things and bad things happen. You win some, you lose some. It's not that "everything happpens for a reason", but, soon or later, nearly everything happens.

By some people's standards, sometimes my own, I am a loser, but at least I am getting tired of telling you how terrible you are. It brings me no joy, and why should I ruin the surprise? Fuck you, I'm getting Ice Cream.

cc: crackersmack

Love how you turn every exchange into a personal attack. Hope your apartment is less hot this fall.

The death counts will not be measurably impacted unless they're willing to pay people to stay home. This would cause inflation and would be bad for rich people and lenders, so they won't. Notice how good the stock market is doing?

The real lesson of the Obama administration is that having a nice, smart, charismatic guy at the head of the death machine doesn't make it grind people up any less. And Biden isn't even smart or charismatic.

Truly, you are the Cassandra of Crap.

I'm so sick of people who lack a basic grasp of the obvious telling me what "the real lesson" is. If you don't understand why Trump must go, before anything else, youre bad at understanding things, and The Real Lesson is that you have shit between your ears. Its funny how the more we point that out to you, the more preachy and pedantic you become.

I guess you're telling us that getting rid of Trump won't solve all our problems. WELL THANK YOU FOR YOUR INSIGHT, GORE VIDAL!

Specifically, replacing Red Trump with Blue Trump will cause significantly more problems than it would solve. But you don't care because you're not really an adult and you don't live in the real world.

I am on personal mission from the Great Cthulhu to make you feel sad.

Nice to know Cthulu is thinking of me.