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exy - 2021-01-20

this motherfucker couldn't even manage a riotous exit


pastorofmuppets - 2021-01-20

premature insurgerator


Hazelnut - 2021-01-20

One of the many reasons the 2nd impeachment is worth it: it kept the coward from trying anything more in his last days.


Two Jar Slave - 2021-01-20

Congrats, everyone. The bare minimum has been achieved once again.


exy - 2021-01-20

you're not wrong, but then again, the bare minimum represents a vast improvement


Two Jar Slave - 2021-01-20

Absolutely!


Old_Zircon - 2021-01-20

He's talking about starting a third party, which would completely fuck over the GOP and unlike some other he's probably not going to be alive 10 years after his failed putsch.


Mr. Purple Cat Esq. - 2021-01-20

I have this theory that one of the reasons US politics is so utterly fucked, is that the system is really really old and hasnt been updated in a long time.
Like, its a 'modern' (rather than ancient) system, but its one of the 1st modern systems ever devised, so its one the oldest modern systems still in use. Like the stuff from late 1700's was really forward thinking for its time but its now *still in use* and hasnt been updated. Its like ye were cursed with one the 1st modern systems.

Compared to Ireland (not a great example but I know it), we've had all sorts of mad systems going back literally 1000's of years (+ 800 years of british rule) but we've consistently updated it.
Like now we use this proportional representation system,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional_representation

so you dont just vote for one guy, you make a list of as many candidates you want in order of preference.

Also its not like 1 party just wins, we elect ministers, and they just happen to be in parties (they dont need to be, the parties are not necessary), and a majority of them agree on forming a government. It at least means you'll never have a one or two party system, the government is always a mix. Like after the recent election the government was formed from a coalition of 3 parties, but members of all the other parties are still ministers.


Mr. Purple Cat Esq. - 2021-01-20

+ loads of independants dont belong to a party


Mr. Purple Cat Esq. - 2021-01-20

Also barely a theory, more of a random notion. I'm not interested in politics at all in general.


Mr. Purple Cat Esq. - 2021-01-20

Thinking about it a bit more, using occams razor.. Its a lot simpler to assume that the main problem is that basically unfettered corporations pretty much run the US with their insane lobbying power and intimate relationship with government.. and changing the system of voting and whatnot wouldnt really make any difference.


exy - 2021-01-21

you don't say.


yogarfield - 2021-01-21

Take that Occam's razor approach to the realization that America is not a democracy, but an oligarchy. The powers that be would never allow ranked voting because it would result in a deconsolidation of their political sway.

It would spawn a political environment requiring more politicians to pay off, and a (quite ironic) free market of competitive donation demand.

So yeah, we're going to be a two party system for the rest of our lives unless the GOP actually can't control their base and it fractures like a half-hatched egg on a dirty sidewalk.

Fingers crossed.


jfcaron_ca - 2021-01-21

It's a catch-22 because the parties that get into power have zero interest in changing the system that gets them power. That's if you take the cynical assumption that parties exist to get elected, not to govern fairly or whatever.

Here in Canada the Liberals promised in the 2015 election that "this will be the last election with first-past-the-post" (i.e. plurality voting within a district). Once in power they did some studies and concluded that they didn't want to change the system after all. Surprise surprise.

I like the Canadian system of having a local Member of Parliament that in principle represents a small enough number citizens, so that said citizens can reasonably go and talk to their MP. Unfortunately with big mega-parties, those MPs are more responsible to their party leadership than to their actual voters.

I don't like standard proportional representation because it necessarily requires a larger number of candidates per voting district and thus dilutes that "local representation" that I want. My favourite system is one typically called "ranked ballot", "instant run-off", or "transferrable vote".

Basically you keep the districts the same, but you rank your candidates. Upon tallying the votes, the system basically does an instant multi-round election where the candidate with the least rank-1 votes gets eliminated, and any voters who chose them instead have their 2nd rank upgraded to 1st. You proceed until only 2 candidates are left and then the majority takes it. In this system, every single voter who completed a ballot gets to have a say on the binary choice between the final 2 candidates without apriori excluding other options.

The main downside of ranked ballot is that it sorta sounds complicated and the established powers explicitly use that in their attack ads. In British Columbia we had a referendum about moving to proportional representation and the Liberal party ran radio ads telling people the system was confusing without even explaining it. The thing is it's not actually that complicated, it's just that the current system is so established that we take its complexities for-granted.

Anyways, I'm pro-reform and I'd still support proportional representation even if it's not my favoured system.


yogarfield - 2021-01-22

Shit, missed the reply:

"The main downside of ranked ballot is that it sorta sounds complicated and the established powers explicitly use that in their attack ads."

Which is exactly why ranked voting will never take place in America. Half of the voting populace are so brain-dead that Republicans could shoot down any reform by calling it a "commie tactic".


yogarfield - 2021-01-21

"The main downside of ranked ballot is that it sorta sounds complicated and the established powers explicitly use that in their attack ads."

Which is exactly why ranked voting will never take place in America. Half of the voting populace are so brain-dead that Republicans could shoot down any reform by calling it a "commie tactic".


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