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ashtar. - 2021-01-30

Bill Maher.

Google a graph of the American Gini coefficient, wage-productivity gap, racial wealth gap, college tuition costs, healthcare costs, or atmospheric CO2 and tell me again how well the ostensive incremental progress pursued over the past 40 years has worked.

It's really surreal how we're like a week into the Biden administration and the party line has already become "we'll do nothing and that's good actually, unless you're some kind of antifa terrorist."

SolRo - 2021-01-30

I’m all for a good people’s revolution.

You going to stand on the front lines when the national guard opens fire, or you have super important work to do at your keyboard?

ashtar. - 2021-01-30

I mean, if that's what's happening, sure?

But I'm not advocating for violent action, and I think it's a pretty silly false choice between technocratic wonky tweaks to the status quo and tearing down Lincoln statues because he wasn't woke enough.

I am trying to make the very simple point that the strategy of incremental progress pursued by Carter (kind of), Clinton, and Obama has in fact resulted in things getting steadily worse.

If you look at the major, objective indicators I listed above (I forgot housing costs and number of homeless people), this is unarguable.

You can't even spot the times Democrats held power on those graphs; stuff just gets steadily worse.

I want those numbers to go down. That's my politics.

I'm honestly not sure what will accomplish that, but I'm reasonably sure that the thing we keep doing that has consistently failed to accomplish any improvement at all is not going to suddenly start working.

SolRo - 2021-01-30

I also have those concerns.

I also don’t have a surefire idea as to how to quickly fix them.

But it sure does often sound like you’re calling for violence as the quick fix. At least when you’re not calling for republicans to get elected to teach all us rubes a lesson?

teethsalad - 2021-01-31

"unarguable" - uh correlation does not equal causation lil' pissman

once again, you're assuming there's some lever they all forgot to pull in a secret closet in the treasury building that says "fix all the problems immediately with zero unintended consequences in a way that pleases every chunk of the electorate"

i guess they should have taken a principled stand that would have frozen them out of power entirely considering where the public was on those issues over the past 40 years so that the piss chucker caucus wouldn't ever have to suffer the indignity of compromise. clearly, this would have led us to a superior outcome

ashtar. - 2021-01-31

It's unarguable that we've had steady decline rather than incremental progress. That was the actual outcome of New Democrat political strategy.

Maybe that was the least bad outcome? Who knows?

But steady decline is not what was promised, nor does it match with the representation of history that proponents are presenting now.

"Vote for us and maybe things will get worse a little slower" is not going to convince any sort of normal human. Like, I really don't think in 2022 or 2024, "we didn't do anything and that's good if you think about it" is going to be a particularly successful message, despite what PMC coolaid dipshits like managed to self-gaslight themselves in believing.

Nor is it going to stave off the effects of a steadily increasing Gini or 670 ppm atmospheric CO2. Like, if it's really true that nothing better is possible, you're probably better off getting combat training and building a bunker than engaging in politics.

ashtar. - 2021-01-31

>But it sure does often sound like you’re calling for violence as the quick fix. At least when you’re not calling for republicans to get elected to teach all us rubes a lesson?

I'm not opposed to violence if it's effective. I don't think it often is.

I repeatedly said people should vote for Biden if they live in a state where their vote matters for harm reduction purposes.

I say a lot of dumb shit, but I don't recall saying anything contradictory to those two positions.

Binro the Heretic - 2021-01-30

The problem, Bill, is the Democrats weren't getting shit done.

And, "We can only do what the GOP lets us do." isn't fucking cutting it anymore.

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