duck&cover  - 2021-09-26
I appreciate any investigation into the obesity/diabetes problem. Here's a series of articles also about this:
https://tinyurl.com/v5b2ntws
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Coax_Current - 2021-09-27 duck&cover, that series of articles fails at least one basic factcheck. The !Kung do have a varied diet.
"The !Kung bushmen of the semi-arid north-west Kalahari desert are such a group who have been well studied by Richard B. Lee (1968). Professor Truswell has already provided details of their dietary status (pp. 213-221), but I would emphasize here that these people (1) have a varied diet, using 85 species of food plant, including 30 roots and bulbs, as well as meat, (2) only need to work a 2.5-day week and six hours per day looking for food, and (3) have an excellent balanced diet with an average protein intake only exceeded by six countries in the world." That's from Health and Disease in Tribal Societies edited by Katherine Elliott, Julie Whelan. Many cultures with some foraging put high value on diverse foods, even if there are staple foods which make up a substantial proportion of the diet.
I remember talking to an internal medicine specialist about cardiovascular disease, and they said, First of all, if you smoke, stop. Second, if you don't exercise a lot, start. Then, at distant third, worry about your diet. That was around 10 years ago, and still seems to hold.
These might be of interest:
Sitting, squatting, and the evolutionary biology of human inactivity
https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1911868117
Sedentary Behaviors, Physical Inactivity, and Cardiovascular Health
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7749226/
and this, when it's more easily available:
https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev-nutr-111 120-105520
This isn't my field, but everyone here has the internet, it's just a matter of looking into real research. Y'all have the power. There are a lot of bloggers or Youtubers out there who have figured out how to cherrypick Google Scholar, but that doesn't mean they're being rigorous about it.
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Coax_Current - 2021-09-27 Here's a Twitter thread about that very recent (this month) review of diets in small-scale societies:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1415773990585516044.html
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John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-09-26
https://youtu.be/0Rnq1NpHdmw
I didn't watch the video yet, so John Oliver's segment on scientific studies being reported in media is not intended as a reply, but as context.
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Binro the Heretic - 2021-09-26
We're being fed garbage that kills us because it's more profitable.
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Meerkat - 2021-09-26
My grandma used butter and lard exclusively and lived to 105. Died of cancer.
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SolRo - 2021-09-26 Some people win the lottery
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Nominal - 2021-09-27 SO MUCH FOR GLOBAL WARMING!
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Meerkat - 2021-09-27 Yeah I'm hoping I got that side of the lottery and not my dad's early dementia side. Not counting on it though.
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Sivak - 2021-09-27
This is all going to look as clear cut in 100 years as eating radium in the 1920s does to us now. Unfortunately we don't live 100 years in the future nor does my stomach. Fucking give me that soybean oil I guess, I hope it only makes me shit grease for an evening afterwards.
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ashtar. - 2021-09-27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHAFMFFQlkI
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John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-09-27
I've given this five minutes of my time, and this really looks like the same kind of shit logic that Paul Joseph Watson uses to "prove" that soy lowers sperm count. In the 120 years since 1900, life expectancy has increased about 50 percent, from late 48 to 76 in men. That could easily be a reason for increased heart disease. Or cigarette smoking. All I'm seeing is correlation, which does not equal causation.
I'm not saying that capitalism isn't feeding us cheap shitty food that makes us unhealthy, and believe me, hydrogenated vegetable oils like Crisco are fucking poison. People have been rightly avoiding them for years.
However, capitalism also feeds us cheap shitty YouTube videos. "Lard is healthier than vegetable oil" is not a claim you should accept from YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram. That's true, even if I'm wrong about the rest of this video, which is a clear possibility.
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BiggerJ - 2021-09-27
This is literally the plot of the South Park gluten episode. "They got it wrong, child! The world is upside-down! Tell 'em they gots it backwards!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsdUtaktMsw
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Simillion - 2021-09-27
Poisonous lies designed to kill you faster. Does not properly discuss the massive piles of prior lipid science and was clearly not made by a board of cardiologists who have spent decades trying to understand the atherosclerosis process. To trust one YouTube video with awkward pacing and transitions over the combined recommendations of the American college of cardiology is exactly the kind of knee-jerk dumbfucking decision that the video creators hope you make. Pure evil
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Crackersmack - 2021-09-27
that burger in the thumbnail looks amazing
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Cena_mark - 2021-09-27
Could be false correlation. The graph points to a rise in these oils and a rise in heart problems, but other changes were developing in the American lifestyle like increased sugar consumption, the rise of car use, the TV. These oils could be part of the problem or nothing at all. Just saying that turning car driving, TV watching, desk job having Americans on to lard might not be the best idea. Either way, lard is not a magic solution for America's heart disease problems.
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Meerkat - 2021-09-28 One thing I noticed about the American lifestyle when I travelled there for work is portion size. Portions down there are insane.
I ordered one ginger beef for around 8 bucks and it comes and it's this big fucking heaping pile on a dinner plate. I'm looking at it and thinking I'm only in town for 3 days how am I going to eat all this?!
American portion sizes are four times the size they should be.
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Cena_mark - 2021-09-28 Good point, that's another thing that's changed over this period. A bottle of coke in the 50s was 6.5 ounces.
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simon666 - 2021-09-28
There is one place on the internet that seems to have an accurate assessment of how micro and macro nutrients affect health, and it's the Linus Pauling Institute at Oregon State:
https://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/articles
I haven't watched the above video, but I really encourage everyone to read the LPI articles. Imagine if a bunch of PhDs read all of the prevailing research on a given topic and wrote a wikipedia article on the state of current research and made recommendations based on that. You've just imagined the LPI.
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Enjoy - 2021-09-30
Not a flip flop at all. Watch the doc "Fat" on Netflix. This nutrition science has been understood for decades.
Vegetable oils, the food pyramid, and all bad nutrition science has been brought to you by Democrats. Liberals kill everything they touch.
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John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-10-02 Maybe that's bullshit, Enjoy, but since you didn't prove it, I'm going with the principle of MOTHERFUCKER'S RAZOR, more commonly known as "sounds like bullshit to me" Your argument lacks an argument, and Like so many trolls, you want me to do the work of reverse-engineering your argument by watching a documentary on Netflix. Evil Homer used to give me homework all the time. Minimum effort for you, maximum effort for me. It's Trolling 101
Democrats are also responsible for a whole lot of bullshit documentaries on Netflix.
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