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SolRo - 2021-12-21

Yeah why doesn’t joe Biden just enact his policies like the king of America he is???


teethsalad - 2021-12-21

HOW COME PRRSIDENT BIG BOSS NO DO WHATEVER HE WANT, I WOULD DO ONLY GOOD & COOL THINGS AND MAKE BAD ILLEGAL IF ME PRESIDENT, PLUS HE OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Crackersmack - 2021-12-21

Hey I hope you all enjoy Trump coming back into office with majorities large enough to amend the constitution, and I hope you all understand your small but important roles in accomplishing that.


SolRo - 2021-12-21

Oh god my 1 starring your dumb videos will elect trump?????


I should have voted for trump last election to keep trump from getting elected!!!!!


Crackersmack - 2021-12-21

not you personally Sol, I'm referring to shitlibs in general of course. nobody cares about what happens on this dead website


Crackersmack - 2021-12-21

Remember when you were supposed to vote for Biden because he could actually accomplish things, unlike Bernie?

I wonder why Manchin is still assigned to so many powerful Senate committees?


Crab Mentality - 2021-12-21

Nobody voted for Biden because we thought he'd accomplish so much. Everyone settled on the safest bet to get Trump out of office. The right keeps screaming "Well do you love Biden NOW?!", but we never did. We just hated him less than Trump, which is still true.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-12-21

You were supposed to vote for Biden because he was the nominee. Because we were trying to beat Trump. Still glad we did that.

Jesus Christ, a few minutes ago, I was ready to acknowledge the ways in which you had been right. I voted for this submission because I wanted the chance to humble myself just a little, but you preempted that with your sad childish need to go back to 2020 YET AGAIN. How sad are you that you have to salve your ego rather than build bridges? You are irresistibly drawn to the one argument that you can ever win, and you can't win because 2020 was a fucking year ago. It already happened.

Is anything more emblamatic of the failure of American Left, a failure like no other, than our buddy Crackersmack, gloating over the rise of American fascism, because he thinks it proves him right, and lets him own those impudent shitlibs?

If I can't figure out how to block Crackersmack from android, I'm going to block this site. We don't need a Jester at this particular funeral.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-12-21

It's obvious NOW, you steaming pile of noncomrehension. Next year, Jim Jordan, insurrectionist planner, champion of Trump and other sex offenders, becomes chairman of the House Judiciary comittee. It'll be a hoot!


ashtar. - 2021-12-21

"Unlike you dumb naive socialists, I am a big brained smart moderate and I actually understand real politics. The way you win elections is to promise and deliver nothing. People love nothing!"

Trump is absolutely going to be president again, and the corporate democrats who got every single thing they wanted are going to somehow blame this on the left.


Crackersmack - 2021-12-21

OK I get that you wanted Trump out of office, that's justifiable if you were naive enough to be unaware that Democrats would govern the exact same way, but now that Biden has *not* let the kids out of the cages, has *not* forgiven any part of student debt, has *not* handled covid in a significantly different way, etc etc etc why do you all still cling to the Democratic Party? It's not any better or even any different.

You're helping to enact conservative policy while being even dumber than conservative voters are.


SolRo - 2021-12-21

There we go, there’s the astroturfing neocon “dems are just as bad as trump” shtick we were waiting for from you.


Crackersmack - 2021-12-21

They are provably, demonstrably as bad as Republicans. What metric do you want to use? Imprisoned immigrants? Oil drilling permits? Spending on social programs? Police funding?


SolRo - 2021-12-21

You cherry pick so hard that migrant laborers are going to start complaining about you stealing their jobs.


Crackersmack - 2021-12-21

You pick the metric then. What is the justification for the claim that Democrats are preferable to Republicans? Give me one thing.


SolRo - 2021-12-21

Voting rights


Crackersmack - 2021-12-21

They haven't passed anything to expand voting rights.

You mean the *next* bill that Democrats are going to pretend is stopped by Manchin alone? lol I'll still be here to point that out when it happens.


Pillager - 2021-12-21

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/19/republicans-subver t-democracy-democrats-paying-attention

Psst. They don't care.

'But even as Donald Trump loyalists lay siege to democracy with voting restrictions and attempts to take over the running of elections, there are fears that Democrats in Washington have not fully woken up to the threat.

“At the state level we’re raising hell about it but the Democrats on the national level are talking about Build Back Better, the infrastructure bill, lots of other things,” said Tony Evers, the Democratic governor of Wisconsin. “When we think about voting rights and democracy, I would hope we would hear a little bit more about that from the national level.”'


Also, to paraphrase Ray Bradbury; "You don't have to block voters to destroy an election. Just give people no reason to vote during them"

Biden was supposed to be a Grand deal maker with the GOP. He can't even manage his own party.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/12/how-the-white-house-lo st-joe-manchin.html


SolRo - 2021-12-21

No one takes either of you seriously and I think you know that.


Crab Mentality - 2021-12-21

"Ha ha, IDIOTS! I've proven once again that your beloved restaurant, the Tacomat, is a real disappointment!

I've exposed the owner's greed, and their poor management. I even found that they called themselves the best in ads, despite no scientific proof.

Now that I have fully dismantled your preferred restaurant, you have no choice but to eat directly out of this toilet with me.

Guys? Hey, quit eating at that taco restaurant, I won the argument. Now come eat shit with me. Guys? Guys?"


ashtar. - 2021-12-22

Ever notice that poelibsquad never engages in any substantive way?

Never "here's a position and here's reasons to believe it."

It's mostly just insults.


SolRo - 2021-12-22

Here comes the neocon dumbass “IF YOU INSULT ME THAT
MEANS I WON THE ARGUMENT!!!” crying.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-12-22

>>>Ever notice that poelibsquad never engages in any substantive way?

>>>>Never "here's a position and here's reasons to believe it."

>>>It's mostly just insults.

Is that you, Evil Homer?

Are you being ironic on purpose? You steaming pile of uncomprehension, we've been having this argument for years. How many times am I supposed to explain things to be willfully ignored by the willfully ignorant? Sorry if you missed that, but missing things is sort of your thing.

This is classic trolling behavior. Trolls will always try to give you homework. "Change my mind."


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-12-22

>>>>Unlike you dumb naive socialists, I am a big brained smart moderate and I actually understand real politics. The way you win elections is to promise and deliver nothing. People love nothing!

>>>>Trump is absolutely going to be president again, and the corporate democrats who got every single thing they wanted are going to somehow blame this on the left.

Nope, that would mean that the Left had accomplished something..


Crackersmack - 2021-12-22

yes "the left" never accomplishes anything until midterms and then it's entirely our fault that Democrats lose, somehow we are able to spoil Democratic races but also supposed to not ever use that leverage to address our own urgent material needs

John if as much of my own comfort and security depended on the magnanimity of government as your does I would probably be even more critical of Democrats, they are literally dooming you to Republican majorities and material harm with their dithering and lies


Crackersmack - 2021-12-22

seriously Biden could just do *one* bold, necessary thing with the power that voters gave him and ensure his reelection and make Dem congressional majorities much more likely; just forgive student debt, de-schedule marijuana, fucking anything at this point and he'd fix this disaster... instead they follow the 2009 playbook and just lie about being obstructed knowing that this will inevitably result in them losing power


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-12-22

You're a liar and I can prove it. See below.


Crackersmack - 2021-12-21

lol cowards


Pillager - 2021-12-21

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/21/kamala-harris-refu ses-personal-fight-joe-manchin-build-back-better-biden

Those midterms are going to be a real hoot.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-12-21

Fuck you, Pillager, it's not a joke. The midterms are going to be a catastrophe, for everyone everywhere who ever lives forever.

Some are yet ungotten and unborn
Who shall have cause to curse Joe Manchin's scorn.

And your jest shall savor but of shallow wit
When millions weep more than did laugh at it.


Crackersmack - 2021-12-21

yeah, after the midterms Democrats will be unable to codify reproductive rights, distribute free masks and rapid covid tests, pay expanded unemployment benefits to keep the economy afloat, and prevent people from being evicted


Pillager - 2021-12-21

JMH, I speak not in jest
My cards close to my vest

I worry for Biden that he's sick in the head
It'll soon be obvious to all that the Dems shat the bed.



https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/west-virginians-a sk-joe-manchin-which-side-are-you-on


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-12-22

>>>OK I get that you wanted Trump out of office, that's justifiable if you were naive enough to be unaware that Democrats would govern the exact same way, but now that Biden has *not* let the kids out of the cages, has *not* forgiven any part of student debt, has *not* handled covid in a significantly different way, etc etc etc why do you all still cling to the Democratic Party? It's not any better or even any different.

"THE EXACT SAME WAY" is the lie. Words mean things, and EXACT words mean EXACT things. If I give Crackersmack the benefit of the doubt, and assume that he doesnt know this, that makes him stupid. If I give him the other benefit of the doubt, and assume that he knows this, that makes him aa liar.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-12-22

Now what happens when I copy and paste Crackersmack's own words into Google?


>>>Biden has *not* let the kids out of the cages, has *

Provides these results

https://tinyurl.com/2nrjvfr2

This link will likely provide slightly different results for everyone . But from every person, I would ask, do the results support Crackersmack's contention that Trump and Biden govern in THE EXACT SAME WAY?

What I get sure doesn't. It doesn't always make Biden look good, but it doesn't make him literally Trump.

This has always been Crackersmack's argument, and it's always been fake. To argue something more reality-based, eg. that Biden isn't any better, is an argument that he theoretically might win, but it would require facts and effort, and he might theoretically lose. A fake argument solves both problems.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-12-22

>>>but now that Biden has *not* let the kids out of the cages, has *not* forgiven any part of student debt, has


https://tinyurl.com/2m26ueu

I think that this is literally not true, some small part of student loan debt has been forgiven, but Biden is still a long way short of following through on his promise, he better come through or he's going to have problems.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-12-22

Sorry that should have been directed at ashtar.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-12-22

When I paste Crackersmack's words about covid response

has *not* handled covid in a significantly different way, etc etc etc

into google,
what I get is a bunch of options pieces, so I opted for a more fact-based search

trump vs biden on covid response

https://tinyurl.com/yxvsc7xu

My point isn't that Biden is better. I very much believe that he is, but what we've been hearing over and over is that they're "exactly the same" .

The logic usually is: Republicans keep trying to suppress voting rights.
Democrats haven't stopped them from trying.
Ergo, they're EXACTLY THE SAME.

And all us shitlibs can only reply to such bulletproof logic with insults, because that's what shitlibs do.

AM I GETTING IT, PILLAGER?


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-12-22

>>>Trump is absolutely going to be president again, and the corporate democrats who got every single thing they wanted are going to somehow blame this on the left.

The corporate Democrats get everything they want because corporate Republicans want the same things. Needing corporate money is something they both have in common. Many corporate donors give to both parties, generally supporting incumbents, so nothing changes.

There are two things we need.

1. To regulate money in politics. Unfortunately, that's going to require amending the constitution.

2. To do whatever it takes to get the poor and minorities eligible to vote, and to get them to the polls.

>>>Ever notice that poelibsquad never engages in any substantive way?

>>>Never "here's a position and here's reasons to believe it."

>>>It's mostly just insults.

Well, now I've posted a postition, ashtar, you ignorant piece of shit. I've said the same thing many times. Maybe if you could take your head out of your ass, you could read what's been posted.

I am not a moderate. I probably want most of the things you want, but if you don't vote for the Democrats, you're not a Democratic voter, and you're not going to be who they pay attention to.

I might have voted for Bernie in the primary if it hadn't been all over by the time New York voted. If Bernie gets nominated, I'm all in for Bernie. That's all anyone can ask of me, and I wouldn't ask anything more of anyone else.


Pillager - 2021-12-23

Not really JHM,

https://www.newsweek.com/jen-psaki-mocked-free-home-tests-thre e-weeks-before-omicron-testing-crisis-hit-america-covid-19-1662564

I just cannot compete with your unlimited free time.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-12-23

>>>>John if as much of my own comfort and security depended on the magnanimity of government as your does I would probably be even more critical of Democrats, they are literally dooming you to Republican majorities and material harm with their dithering and lies.

Maybe, but goddam for sure would VOTE for Democrats.

Is there anyone here who remembers the twelve to sixty times I expressed a willingness to engage with good faith criticism of Biden? You started out by mocking Biden voters, and then when people reacted, ashtar pretending that we were the ones being insulting:

"Unlike you dumb naive socialists, I am a big brained smart moderate and I actually understand real politics."

Look, the current state of politics literally terrifies me, and I believe that these discussions are triggering episodes of real depression that are making it necessary, after seventeen years, to reconsider my participation in this site. I'll admit it, I'm easily trolled.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-12-23

>>>[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/19/republicans-su bver t-democracy-democrats-paying-attention

Wow, ashtar, you must be pretty desperate to resort to thoughtful, valid criticism!


Pillager - 2021-12-23

That was me.

Biden is producing a big massive nothing burger.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-white-house-p ress-secretary-jen-psaki-holds-news-briefing-20


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