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SolRo - 2022-01-09

Victims families need to get a class action against this ghoul

Two Jar Slave - 2022-01-09

While externally-imposed regulations and accountabilities can help a great deal, they can also be evaded by sufficiently committed, self-protecting warrior psychos.

In my opinion, the only long-term solution (and this is LONG term) is for progressives to infiltrate the police en masse and change all this shit from the inside out. That's what alt-righters have been doing with America's police system, legal system, education system, etc. etc. etc., and it's the only way to hit back against this crap in a meaningful way. "The world is run by the people who show up" is a cliche, but it applies here. If progressives are forever on the outside of the police force looking in (with disgust), they're essentially powerless to effect change.

So tell all your gay anarchist friends to get crew cuts, hit the juice and squat rack, graduate the police academy (I've heard it's embarrassingly easy) and get a couple of promotions. Then shift the culture from within. It's probably our only chance.

SolRo - 2022-01-09

Federal oversight seems to work too, so it would be a good idea to make sure the federal government isn’t ran by the same kind of fascists seen here.

Two Jar Slave - 2022-01-09

Sure. Absolutely. I just can't think of any federal party that would actually commit to police reform.

Alt-righters don't wait for daddy to save them and they don't see value in disingagement from society; they use their communities' voices to encourage their youth to sign up and take over, for increasingly radical outcomes. The Fed will never be able to oversee every school board, every police department, every boardroom, every courtroom -- and the alt-righters know it. They get engaged and get what they want. We've seen progressives accomplish the same thing in universities, transforming their internal cultures to the point where many profs' public bios rail against the evils of liberal society, just to fit in. Why not police departments?

Nominal - 2022-01-09

Because typing out "ACAB" and calling it a day is easier.

ashtar. - 2022-01-09

I'm a cop.

glasseye - 2022-01-09

ACAB is only the beginning; it is an important recognition that the police serve only the needs of capital and the state.

Defund, disarm, abolish.

This will take time, and sustained effort, and will be fought tooth and nail by the capitalist-imperialist party while it remains in power.

But a better world is possible, and worth fighting for.

SolRo - 2022-01-10

Car to name any first world utopian countries with zero police?

Crackersmack - 2022-01-10

probably could name several countries where "police" means something other than "extremely violent rapid response paramilitary force with basically no legal accountability"

jfcaron_ca - 2022-01-10

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Police#First-ever_shooting _death

And it's not because they don't have a lot of guns: https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/iceland

SolRo - 2022-01-10

Do those county’s “not police” have POLICE written in big letters on the sides of their cars?

Do you see how saying “abolish the police” can be easily interpreted as “get rid of all law enforcement and public safety” making it a dumb and losing political argument no matter how justified you may feel screeching it constantly.

jfcaron_ca - 2022-01-10

You're trying to interpret slogans literally and pedantically while asking for real-world examples of utopias? C'mon.

SolRo - 2022-01-10

You can’t scare white suburbanites to the Republican Party and expect to have a senate majority.

Moral victories mean nothing when you’re surrendering power to the fascist right.

Crackersmack - 2022-01-10

not too many people pushing straight abolishment, afaik the slogan that liberals are supposed to be up in arms about is "defund the police" (which no jurisdiction has actually done) and that seems a lot more understandable when for example LAPD has 38 helicopters

Crackersmack - 2022-01-10

also the senate majority that you would build has already existed Sol, in Obama's first term, and they accomplished fuck all with it

simon666 - 2022-01-11

Ashtar, a with a city, county, state, or federally?

ashtar. - 2022-01-11

State land management agency, full commission general authority

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2022-01-09

I'm not a lawyer, but if the city is training cops to kill people, you ought to be able to sue the city when innocent people are killed. This may have a better effect on the overall culture of policing than criminal prosecutions of Indianal cops. The police who killed Amadou Diallo in New York believed he had a gun. The witnesses confirmed this. What if they responded as the city had trained them to do? The system will protect them to a point, but eventually they were hung out to dry., charged with murder instead of manslaughter. (They were acquitted. )

In a pinch, the system protects itself, and then goes back t
to business as usual, in this case, training cops to kill.

The conventional wisdom is that most cops are decent public servants, that's consistent with my experience, but my experience is limited. I've seen the cops save a friend's life, but would they have been so courteous and helpful if my friend had been black? I think probably, but if I had been black, I would have been hassled by the cops enough so that I might not have called them.
all. Even if the actively racist cops are a minority, if you're black, they WILL get to you.

At this rate, I am never going to get to the point, which is that no one will be better served by curtailing police violence and police harassment, especially toward minorities, than the courteous and helpful police who are presumably the majority. Their jobs will become safer and easier. I think that people should talk about that more.

glasseye - 2022-01-09

Qualified Immunity generally prevents the cops for being sued for murdering someone.

Cops kill about 3 Americans per day.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2022-01-10

>>>Cops kill about 3 Americans per day.

I looked this up. It checks out.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2022-01-10

Every definition of qualified immunity that Ive seenfound applies to individual officers accused of violating the rights of individuals. What I'm suggesting is that if police departments are hiring this guy to train cops to kill people unnecessarily, maybe the department can be sued FOR THE TRAINING. The ideal plaintiff for this approach might actually be a policeman. If some cop somewhere, anywhere could win a case, that might open the floodgages, and change the way things are done.

Or not. If it was a workable idea, someone would have already tried it. If the Texas abortionblaw is upheld, that may give someone a new opportunity.

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