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Comeuppance - 2008-06-15


TinManic - 2008-06-15

good for them. apparently the House of Lords in England has decided that the British would not get a similar chance to vote on the treaty. thank god for the Irish today.

Joey The Cobra - 2008-06-15

The vote No campaign was run by a collective of extreme far right and left groups who conducted a massive campaign of misinformation which consisted of blatant lies and fear mongering.
They were succesful among the working class, 80% voted no.

This group included Sinn Fein you'll be happy to hear Billy, the socialist party also known as the political wing of the IRA, left wing terrorists.

Every political party, (except the socialists) the church, unions all supported a yes vote.

Billy Buttsex - 2008-06-15

The far left and the far right can agree on one thing: supranational institutions controlled by people who use confusing language to dupe the people into entering contracts that usurp their rights is a bad thing. I could give less than a shit if socialists voted against the EU on this one... they were right to do so.

God bless Ireland for defending themselves when everybody else gave in.

Syd Midnight - 2008-06-15

Interesting that the UK will not allow a referendum. Democracy must be protected from this meddlesome "people voting" thing.

smoothbrain - 2008-06-15

So these people want to get rid of the EU entirely? I guess I don't get it, hasn't it been really good for Europe in general?

Syd Midnight - 2008-06-15

I don't know about entirely, but they don't want the EU to become a new pseudo-USA, with the individual states being subservient under a single all-powerful European federal government.

Most Europeans just aren't ready for that yet, but it's being pushed ahead by virtue of not giving the common people any say in the matter. The closest they can usually come to having a say is by electing anti-EU MEPs, like this guy seems to be.

Cleaner82 - 2008-06-15

VERY interesting. I'm not sure quite what to make of it, but very interesting nonetheless.

jangbones - 2008-06-15

Billy is the second best troll I have ever seen.

Also, this has too many words in it.

Cleaner82 - 2008-06-15

Still interesting. I wasn't sure what his mildly retarded message was, so I judged the clip on the merits.

Mr.Graves - 2008-06-15

Quick rundown for the lazy or bored: EU heads want to pass a block of amendments without the opportunity for citizens to vote in favour or against them. The Irish system prevents them from doing that so the Irish get to vote on it.

I can't see how mentioning that major political parties and the church were for a yes vote does anything other than to confirm that political parties don't represent the people, and that the church has kept to it's good ole stance of supporting totalitarianism.

Even when the masses are wrong, it's better to keep their rights to be involved in the political process, than to remove them entirely.

Someone needs to educate people so they realize what a danger democracy and (even when psuedo-false) liberty are to the human psyche. Just my opinion.

Joey The Cobra - 2008-06-15

My mention of the church was because a large part of the no sides argument was that the treaty could lead to legalised abortion. The church's support demonstrates how baseless this claim was.

Grace Mugabe - 2008-06-15

It's terrifying that it's come to this. God bless Ireland.

PlushJake - 2008-06-15

I bet I wouldn't read it either. In the future all treaties will be made in the format of ten minute videos with pop up ads.

yoyo1 - 2008-06-16

It's interesting to note that most of the opinions in this thread will be modelled after what somebody politically motivated will have told them about the situation.

but anyway,this is my (european) POV : more and more EU citizens come to think that europe as it is now is a threat to their governments' sovereignty and that they'll lose their powe of decision in favour of a supranational government that will answer more to lobbyist and powerful corporations that to its citizen best interest.

Case in point: The EU ministers just met with Bush and decided sanctions agains Iran (while the majority of EU citizen are probably against that)

And all he says about the unreadability of the treaty and the sneakyness of the "small treaty" is sadly true.

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