|The Mothership - 2010-06-16 |
An arrest, an actual ARREST (as opposed to a citation) for jaywalking is so unbelievably, mind-bogglingly malicious that the only possible explanation is that they must have given that cop some serious shit before it reached that stage. Three jackasses involved in this one right here.
It's never a good idea to assault a cop, when he's already struggling to get the situation under control.
I loathe cops who use unnecessary force, but here the cop didn't really have a choice.
Yeah the only time cops do fucked up shit is when you give them a hard time. No "punch black faces" tag though?
If you will read my comment carefully, dancing and adham, you will find that I am addressing the reasons that led to the scuffle in the first place, not the cold-cocking itself. The girl resists arrest (a crime, a stupid, stupid crime), and the cop freaks and knocks her friend the fuck out when she steps in. These facts are not in dispute. My point is that you don't just get arrested for jaywalking unless you give a cop a really, really good reason to do so, like cursing, spitting, or assaulting him when he's trying to write you a ticket. We don't see what happened beforehand, and my guess is that it wasn't pretty.
While your scenario is entirely possible, I'd like to know why isn't it also entirely possible for a cop to be a power mad, sandistic, racist prick? He's obviously dumb enough to punch a young girl in the face in broad daylight and in front of many witnesses (one of whom, had a camera, and with cell phones nowadays, who doesn't?). So, how come is it so implausible to also assume that someone so astoundingly dumb COULD also be violent and racist? Or at the very least, simply a violent, impulsive fuck who responds disproportionately to some swearing and a light shove from a young girl.
"really, really good reason"= being black
Jaywalking is code for 'you look nice, let's fuck around with you for a bit then let you go'. When a Seattle cop stopped me for jaywalking I played nice, knew my rights, was polite and got let off with a warning. These girls didn't do that, I am guessing.
You are under absolutely no obligation to "be nice" to a policeman who is arbitrarily exercising his authority (you spineless fucking bootlick). You're a bigger pissant coward than this cop.
Ahem, this 'spineless fucking bootlick' didn't get his face fucked up, his ass arrested, or anything else for that matter. These girls did get fucked up and arrested, and everything I have experienced and seen here lead me to believe that the cop is probably a jerk and was probably also justified here. Until then spare me this 'fuck the police' shit where any violent police action = police brutality, cause I ain't havin' it.
You have no obligation to be nice to someone exercising their authority unjustly. This girl got her "face fucked up" because unlike you she doesn't see a shitty public servant abusing his authority--an authority built on the implicit trust a community should have in its law enforcement officers SPECIFICALLY NOT TO DO THIS SORT OF THING--and passively submits to him.
As a result, her face got fucked up and arrested AND the shit cop got on TV and the Internet as being such an obvious shithead that they had to roll out the Police Guild spokesperson to try to do some sort of damage control. Even if he never gets put on trial or even officially censured, his record is indelibly marked as being an asshole and an embarrassment to the department. This girl's willingness to stand up to a cop has quite possibly (hopefully) led to him being exposed as someone who can't be trusted to deal with citizens.
In short, because this girl isn't afraid to take a punch for her best friend, the overall behavior of the Seattle PD will be, however slightly, improved. You and others like you who don't object or complain about police bullying have only made the situation worse.
"everything I have experienced and seen here lead me to believe that the cop is probably a jerk and was probably also justified here." Ha ha ha, tell us more of your "experiences" Mothership. Are there any other authority figures who have carte blanche to hit you (if you're "lucky") if you annoy them?
Anax, 'your city' is also mine, so spare me; I am very hip to SPD's procedure.
Athodyd, there is a big difference between police bullying and basic harassment. One calls for standing up to, the other for putting up with and getting on. I been through both, have you?
We seem, you and I, to come at this particular example from different perspectives. In your view, this is a prime example where righteous teens fight the man and expose the wicked machine within. In an alternate view, this is a couple of foolish children who misbehaved when another foolish police officer decided to exert some authority. Either way, everybody loses. I'm tired.
|Meerkat - 2010-06-16 |
ARE YOU SERIOUS?
ARE YOU SERIOUS?
See, this is the guy you want around when your dog is attacked by a Doe.
|Riskbreaker - 2010-06-16 |
Punch kids faces.
|Adham Nu'man - 2010-06-16 |
Police Representative says: HE SHOULDA BEEN MOAR VIOLENZ!
I wonder what Cap'n McPunchy would have said if it was the daughter of Senator. Probably the same thing, because justice is blind.
|charmlessman - 2010-06-16 |
It doesn't matter the circumstances leading up to it, but the moment an officer tells you you're under arrest, you HAVE to go with him. The moment for justice isn't then, on the street, it's in the courtroom. And when your friend is being arrested, you do not get to stop it. If you try, you are approaching a cop who's hands are busy arresting ... See Moresomeone, and his first instinct is to protect his sidearm from being taken.
This cop was fully within his rights, and those girls were fully not. It doesn't make it a happy video to watch, but it's the truth.
Can you tell I typed this earlier and just clipped and pasted it from a different site?
I'm not a police officer, but I am fairly certain that punching young girls in the face is not police procedure.
The proper way is to pepper spray them. Generously.
Hey Solro, just because a shove (a shove that looked more than anything like an attempt to separate the officer and her friend) is in the most nigglingly anal legal terms a form of assault (by which I mean unwanted physical conduct) should not make it okay for an officer to ELECTROCUTE YOU or BLIND YOU WITH CHEMICALS.
In fact, it shouldn't even really be okay for the officer to punch you, given that his sworn duty is to protect you from actual non-shoving criminals!
I know this may be tough for you to grasp given that you come from a culture where hostage situations are dealt with by massed artillery strikes, but it's not really okay that police officers can do all sorts of violent (but nonlethal!) things to you with the expectation that their union, the media, and a significant percentage of the public will let them off the hook (at least if you're black and/or object to their treatment of you).
Ok or not, your laws allow it you dumb dipshit.
Bitch all you want about how it's not nice.
|samstein - 2010-06-16 |
1 star because this isn't the full video. This is the media edited version. The full video shows some gangster pulling a gun out. The punch in the face was pretty light considering what he was up against.
seriously this place is amusingly horrible enough without really clumsy trolls on it
the full video is here
The gun is at -1:16 in the video I linked.
Konversekid, no additional context is needed. It is obvious the girl is not cooperating, it escelates to an arrest, and finally the cop is defending his gun. That is all the context you need and it is all in the full video.
I see a guy holding something. If it's a gun, why didn't the officer react to it? Why didn't he let go of the girl and draw his weapon on the dude? Do you think cops are cool with someone holding a pistol right behind them? If the cop didn't see it, you can hardly say it factored into his aggressiveness. If he did, and it did, why isn't PD mentioning that in their official statements? "The officer was in mortal danger" would be a pretty good argument against brutality. Sorry Sam, I don't buy it.
after watching the full video, while there's a fair bit of OHHH I HURT ARE YOU GETTING THIS GUYS HOW MUCH I HURT going on, that doesn't fucking excuse the cop from essentially picking the worst possible option after a second of deliberation.
also a gun are you fucking serious
That is a cell phone camera you fucking munchkin.
I hope you are not a cop or an operator of heavy machinery.
|Scynne - 2010-06-16 |
I'd say she had it coming.
|Meatsack Jones - 2010-06-16 |
I go back the beginning of it all. Was it really necessary to pull someone over for jaywalking. Granted, starting shit with a cop is a bad idea, but the whole situation was just unwarranted on both sides.
If there's a law in that city (which reports say there is) against jaywalking, yes it's perfectly legal for a cop to pull someone aside for breaking a law.
Yup there's a law. And our cops regularly issue citations about it.
I know it's a law. I simply stating for officers to choose their battles. It just seems a lot of drama over nothing on both sides of this confrontation.
the cop wasn't lazy enough?
just shut up
|glendower - 2010-06-16 |
|memedumpster - 2010-06-16 |
There's never a deer around when you need one.
|StanleyPain - 2010-06-16 |
Hey you know what would be nice...cops who just FUCKING WALK AWAY for once. Seriously, is it worth all this bullshit? So fucking what if the kids were giving him attitude? Arresting them for jaywalking? Punching someone? Seriously..fuck this guy and fuck the apologists. How about cops actually fucking have an IQ higher than 40 and the ability to reason when pursuing shit like this just isn't even remotely worth it.
So cops should walk away if someone is being a big enough dick while breaking a law?
|chairsforcheap - 2010-06-16 |
guess what cunt you can't push a cop, you got scratched by his knuckle boo hoo
|NewHeavenSalesman - 2010-06-16 |
also, for people actually interested in the incident, here's a different account of what happened, with some interesting deviations about what's been previously noted
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/96353934.html (shamelessly taken from poe-news)
|Timothy A. Bear - 2010-06-17 |
Stop punching people in the face, Seattle.
|charmlessman - 2010-06-18 |
FOR THE LAST TIME!!!
When a cop is busy with one person, a second person puts them on IMMEDIATE alert because their GUN COULD BE STOLEN!!
Police are trained to neutralize a second person to protect their gun.
A swift jab to the face effectively neutralized that girl.
And don't give me that "Boo hoo, she was only 17 and it was over jaywalking" bullshit. She has hands. Hands hold guns. CASE CLOSED!!!
|Billie_Joe_Buttfuck - 2010-06-20 |
|Sean Robinson - 2010-06-21 |
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