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Dread Pirate Roberts
Stay until the end...



And wow, I'm actually kinda impressed with his rant. I'm all for gay rights and non-discrimination, but to go and heckle a performer on his own show about a topic which isn't relevant... that's pretty low-ball (no pun intended).

I loved where Arsenio went with the rant, too. Non-discrimination means you don't make it an issue. You don't even make it a talking point. The whole point of gay rights and black rights was to have them be non-talking points. To be non-issues. The best way to show your support for gay right is to include them juts like everyone else, and not single them out. You don't see him bringing on other guests and talking about their heterosexuality, do you? Why would you expect to see it discussed about homosexuality?


Hubba Bubba Nightmare
So how many queers did you drag behind your truck in high school??

Dread Pirate Roberts
I'm completely for Gay rights, and never said otherwise. My point was simply that you can be pro-rights for the LGBT community and not make it into a center-stage showpiece. The entire point of the Gay rights movement is to have equal rights, and to have society at large accept the gay community and give them the decency to not make a big deal out of their lifestyle. Notice that no one in the gay community is trying to convert people to their ways. They just want the same rights, and to be left alone. That's the entire point.

The twats in this video were not accomplishing anything with their stunt, and I doubt that they spoke for many in that community, either. They were just trying to make people uncomfortable and bring attention to a subject which was never being censored at all.


Pompoulus
Yeah heaven forfend people make their civil rights protest a 'center stage showpiece'.

simon666
So the confusion in this thread, I think, can be explained like this:

Dread Pirate is making a theoretical critique about the rhetorical efficacy of a given strategy.

Hubba Bubba and Pompoulus are speaking to the content or practical issue at hand, that one has a right or is entitled to voice one's position regardless.

You guys are talking past each other, about different issues.

Change
Picking stupid battles is picking stupid battles.

Syd Midnight
Discrimination that exists is not a non-issue. That's a goal, not a method. It becomes a non-talking point when it stops existing. "Hey lets not make an issue of it" is one of the most popular ways of excusing discrimination. "But I don't see race", "playing the race card", etc.

kamlem
Considering the transsexual that is sexual assaulted, publicly humiliated and then hounded out of a bar for laughs in Crocodile Dundee, I have to be going for the protesters in this one.
Banal Intercourse
Why? Was this that guy?

kamlem
The "guest" was Paul Hogan, Australia's favourite tax fraud. The transsexual was Anne Carlisle, known for co-writing and playing both the lead male and female roles in the movie Liquid Sky. The scene in question would be on poetv if I could ever find a clip to submit. I don't know if Arsenio had personally seen it, but it is worth protesting over.

Cena_mark
Yeah, but why hassle Arsenio? Why not do some research and realize he had Elton John on before accusing him of ignoring the gays.

Spit Spingola
Their protest seemed so pointless that I started legitimately thinking they were protesting Hogan rather than Arsenio. In actuality they were mad about a joke about SF's Gay Pride Parade.

I've seen a lot of protesters who just start chanting something until they're escorted away when the person they're protesting tries to engage them so at least they didn't do that.

CornOnTheCabre
All of these stars are for the ruin of a late-night talk show, something that, in this day and age, should occur on a nightly basis in any nation that considers itself truly progressive.
memedumpster
Both groups of people in this video are on the same side and it's unfortunate that they were pitted against each other instead of a common enemy that would gladly suppress both black people and gay people. Nobody wins like this except the bigots.
simon666
You forget that the black community is not totally progressive or liberal, of which its bigotry towards homosexuality (anti gay marriage) is a prime example.

memedumpster
I meant Arsenio personally really. There are lots of gay people who hate on homosexuality too.

frau_eva
Arsenio overall handled it pretty well, but its a fallacy that you can't be homophobic if you're black. I know just as many, if not more, black people who hate gays.

spikestoyiu
Someone actually believes blacks can't be homophobic? That's cute.

exy
frau_eva is referring to Arsenio's defense against being called a bigot on the basis that he's black. I also thought it sounded a bit like "I can't possibly hate on minorities because I am the minoritiest."

Burnov
ONOES we can't own the gay heckler because that isn't politically correct!

"Insert contrived strawman argument about being homophobic here".

Its okay guys, I responded for you.

Ursa_minor
AAAAAH'M BLACK!
chumbucket
Looks like Arsenio isn't welcome in the Gay Nation
Barefoot Bob
No Xiphias tag?
dowstroyer666
Why isnt he still around?
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