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Tags:Star Wars, , MSNBC, Melissa Harris Perry, lighten up francis
Submitted:Scrotum H. Vainglorious
Date:12/15/15
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SolRo
Thanks for bypassing this shit getting downvoted in the hopper
Scrotum H. Vainglorious
HAPPY TO DISAPPOINT YOU

gravelstudios
Years ago, I heard a Latino comedian tell a joke about how there are no Latinos in science fiction. The punchline was "the only guy with a Spanish name is Chewie, and he's retarded", followed by an exaggerated impression of Chewbacca's voice. Did anybody else see or hear that? Anyway, if she wants to make a case that Star Wars is racist, the prequels provide much better examples.
ashtar.
fucking space jews

Caminante Nocturno
But they're just zooming along protecting the Hebrew race.

Old_Zircon
About ten years ago I read a zine from the early 90s in which, after a good two paragraphs insisting that it's purely a thought experiment and shouldn't be taken seriously, the author lays out a pretty devastating analysis of antisemitic subtext in TNG (above and beyond the obvious ferengi stuff), I really wish I remembered who wrote it so I could find it on line.

Bobonne
What, was it that episode with the evil space merchant who kidnaps Data and wants him to get naked and pose for him while casually murdering his space goyim employees?

Because I'll admit, I never saw any antisemitism in that episode, myself, but I have heard the above basically laid out as a theory that it's all it was about.

Sanest Man Alive
You don't even need to go to the prequels. Look at Lando; the first major Star Wars character played (not just voiced) by a black man, and what's the first thing he's remembered for? Stabbing an old friend in the back to save his own hide.

Lurchi
my father thought Lando's co-pilot in Return of the Jedi was supposed to be Puerto Rican

That guy
this is for Star Wars

MHP is usually auto-5
Cena_mark
She pretty much just stole this from Kevin Smith.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L9io-b9Uew
Caminante Nocturno
Does anyone else think it's kind of fucked up that this black woman is appropriating nerd culture for her own ends?


Void 71
Her white DNA is obviously fighting to be freed from the shackles of repression. Why else would she be watching Star Wars?

Rodents of Unusual Size
She is the worst pundit on television.
Cena_mark
What's terrible about her, is how she epitomizes what right wingers call the loony left. The right wing is full of tons more nutters than the left, but they only need a few to discredit us and say we're at the same level.

Sanest Man Alive
Yes she's clearly far worse than Rivera, Hannity, Coulter, Malkin, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, &c. &c....

I mean any one of those chucklefuck cowards will happily blame a girl for getting drugged and raped by a college football team, or declare an unarmed man deserved to get shot to death, or mock cancer victims for wanting medical cannabis before they themselves waddle off to gargle oxycontin on their commercial breaks, or praise an anti-choice sociopath who murders doctors because Jesus told him to, but who cares about any of them because THAT LADY SAID BAD THINGS ABOUT STAR WARS GRRR

Just the fucking worst.

Rodents of Unusual Size
She is also a quasi fascist and thinks Edward Snowden is a traitor. So fuck her.

All the other chucklefucks are indeed chucklefucks. But Perry has a very special hypocrisy in that she is deluded enough to think she is a champion of human rights and shit. Rush and gang aren't that deluded, they just want to make money. Perry tries to get away with criticizing everyone for thoughtcrime against any of the virtues she promotes, and she is generally whackadoo when it comes to tying in current day issues with whatever thought she had while taking a wiz. For instance she rallies against stand up comedians who go TOO FAR OVER THE LINE but then she tries to make stupid jokes that fall flat like her dumb "race card" bit.

Also, good lord, get a speech coach. MY EYES NEED WINDSHIELD WIPAS OVAH HEAH HEY! YO! BADABOOM HUH?

EvilHomer
Presented *without* neckbeard commentary?? Uhhh, no. I count ten examples so far! With mine, that makes eleven.
Spaceman Africa
I think she was going for some kind of joke here.
Rodents of Unusual Size
I'm sure if we wipe off the spittle we'll find it somewhere underneath.

dairyqueenlatifah
She's the living embodiment of why I hesitate to tell people I'm at all left anymore.

And to those of you who think she's joking, look up some of the other shit she's said. She's a fucking moron. She's like a different flavor of Sarah Palin.
Cena_mark
She is, but you have to admit that there are far less of these loons on the left than the right. I'm proud to say I'm a lefty even though I'm in the south and in the military, where there are so few of us.

Xenocide
I think the problem is that lefties have a concept of shame. We see an idiot like MHP on our team and we get all embarrassed.

Meanwhile conservatives line up get their picture taken with the Trump/Cruz/Santorum/JEB!/Carson creeping fascism clown car.

EvilHomer
Two questions:

One, what's so bad about what she said? I don't see what the big deal is here. Yeah it's kind of a dumb argument, but it doesn't sound like she was trying to be serious (why would she, given the venue and the subject matter?), and even if she WAS serious, so what? It's a valid complaint.

And two, how does a discussion about "a leftist" who makes a stupid comment, quickly, and almost as if by magic, metamorphose into "yeah but those righties though, they sure are dumb"?

infinite zest
Yeah I don't really see what's wrong with what she's saying (and yes she inadvertently ripped it off from Chasing Amy) in that using a black man's voice for a white character maybe wasn't the best decision. Imagine if Incredible Hulk did the same thing for the Hulk voice, like got Terry Crews or something just for the voice, people would be pissed about that too, even if the intent was just a commanding/intimidating voice instead of twee-and-white-as-fuck Mark Ruffalo's. But these stars are for Star Wars and MHP in general.

Cena_mark
She over does the stereotype of liberals being overly PC and offended. Last video of her's I recall being posted where she said not to use the term hard worker, because it would offend slaves.
As for the metemophose about right wingers is cause, she's really (as far as I know) then only cray cray lefty on mainstream media. So I just mean to bring up how folks on the right are much worse, with Beck, Hannity, Rush, O'reilly, Coulter, Malkin, Dr. Laura, Michael Savage, Alex Jones (fringe, but still has millions of fans).

Cena_mark
Her inadvertantly ripping it from Chasing Amy show's that she actually believes something, that was joke in a Kevin Smith film. She's cray cray.

infinite zest
*this star rather*. Just fucking come out, stupid movie. In a perfect world everybody would be sick of all the speculation and predictions and shit and therefore nobody would see it, costing Disney billions and billions.

Cena_mark
To clarify, she's a parody of the libtard, and doesn't even know it.

ashtar.
Yeah. Not sure what the big deal is with the actual content of what she said (interesting point, if not original). She's a tedious idiot, but this... not so much. Granted, she could easily take this in direction that would be pretty much self parody, but she doesn't do so in this clip.

EvilHomer
Cena - but do you think this way because she really IS the "only crazy lefty", or because you now identify with lefties (however we might define that term), and that makes it harder for you to understand your rival's perspective? I put it to you that, if you were still a righty, you would have been able to rattle off a long list of allegedly "crazy lefties", including Michael Moore, Rachel Maddow, Piers Morgan, Rosie O'Donnell, Kanye, Chomsky, every Hollywood celebrity besides Kirk Cameron, Dawkins, Paglia, and Bill Maher (the last three of whom are to various extents libertarian). You'd almost certainly disown Alex Jones (who is a Bush-hating, Russia-loving, slightly-right-of-center Truther, not a conservative), and probably wouldn't be too harsh on any of the others in your current list. Coulter and Malkin, for example, are (for their own respective tribe) about on par with pundits like Franken or Colbert, while Glenn Beck is fairly innocuous and difficult to hate.

Instead, I submit that Mirror Universe Righty-Cena would stroke his goatee, and say something like, "Well, there's Fred Phelps - but oh, he's really the only crazy conservatard"!

EvilHomer
Here, try this experiment! Go find the biggest redneck Coastie you know, and ask him or her if there are any crazy libtards in the media. See what he or she says in response.

EvilHomer
To answer my original question, I believe the mental gymnastics on display are simply a function of what academics call "affective partisan polarization". An interesting (though long) paper on the subject can be found here:

http://www.shsu.edu/~sgu001/swpsa2015.pdf

The short of it is, Americans are becoming increasingly emotional and clannish, starkly divided into their own social camps and mostly unwilling to tolerate outsiders. It is not all dissimilar from the racism or religious xenophobia of centuries past; except now (Enlightened as we are) we do not use skin color or church affiliation to define who is Other, but rather, what blogs we read and television channels we watch.

It's hard for lefties to see a lefty acting like A Lefty, so instead, we reroute the damage and get back to a more comfortable narrative.

EvilHomer
(of course, I still maintain that Ms Perry's comments are not, in fact, "libtarded". A little dumb yeah, but controversial? Hardly! And as for whether she herself is a quote unquote "crazy lefty" or not, I cannot say, as I do not know enough about her work. I would, however, encourage people not to use that term, even if - or particularly if - she is indeed a genuine "crazy lefty". The reason I say this is because phrases like "crazy lefty", "libtard", "right wing fascist" etc. are non-neutral, and make it extremely difficult for us to examine these dingbat's arguments {which might have merit!} critically, rationally, and fairly.)

spikestoyiu
They used a black guy's voice because it was super badass and they used a white actor because it's a white dude's dad

Cena_mark
Even back when I was a righr winger, I merely disagreed with folks like Olberman and Maddow. I never thought they were crazy. Now that I'm a lefty I really can see the crazyness of the right. Their racism and hate, that I ignored for so long.

Cena_mark
Great point spikes, and there is a fun fact that nullifies her accusations of racism. They originally wanted Orson Wells to be the voice of Vader, but then decided against it, because they felt his voice was too well known, and didn't want the audience thinking, "Oh, that's Orson Wells" every time he spoke.

ashtar.
I'm just so tired of all these race wars.
TeenerTot
tee hee

namtar
Did she just say that Darth Vader sounds "black"?

She went politically correct so far that she become a racist.
StanleyPain
This is stupid, but fuck the reddit hugbox shitheads using this for their own MRA/Harasser bullshit can fuck off....
GravidWithHate
Your reflexive use of buzzwords only vaguely connected to the discussion has convinced me of the righteousness of your cause and the superiority of your morals.

Nominal
What a problematic, gross person thing to say, Gravid.

chumbucket
Joke does not land.
Hooker
Darth Vader worked really hard in those movies.

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