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That guy - 2020-01-29

"I just don't think voters will elect someone with the middle name Delano"

Maggot Brain - 2020-01-29


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-01-29

"I like Bernie. I think he's got some good ideas." I guess the gloves are off!

Unfortunately I've been spending a lot of time on Facebook lately, and.I hit the Reply button instead of submit, destroying the beautiful comment I've been working on for an hour, and. I don't.have another one of those on me.

Tjis is all valid. This is the most honest and thoughtful poltical attack ad I have ever seen in my 150 years on this planet. By a fucking light year.

That guy - 2020-01-29

Do you smell burnt toast, JHM?

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-01-29

As a matter of fact, I smell bacon!

poorwill - 2020-01-30

how is it valid. polls say bernie does better than anyone in a bunch of key states.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-01-30

Don't get me wrong. I like Bernie. I think he has some good ideas.

Your faith in polls is almost touching, but what part of "78 year old Socialist who just had a heart attack" do you not understand?" If the party decides to roll the dice I'm in, but its a crapshoot, and the stakes are quite literally EVERYTHING. The ocean swallowing Manhattan, stuff like that.

What's valid is the discussion. Im not saying that he cant win, but do not believe for a moment that you're going to avoid the discussion about Bernie being a crapshoot. Dukakis was 18 points ahead, in July. Trump is not going to have a hard time knowing how to run against a 78 year.old socialist who just had a heart attack

Hazelnut - 2020-01-30

I agree with JHM. Calling this ad ‘vile’ lacks all sense of proportion. Have you seen how nasty real attack ads are? This is mostly just saying he probably can’t win in Nov — you can agree or disagree with that, but it’s not some hideous character assassination. The only low blows were the references to his agre and his heart attack, and as a voter I do consider both to be (somewhat) relevant.

Anyway, the bigger story is trolls and right wingers are trying to drive a wedge between Democrats. Fuck that. Let’s keep it respectful.

poorwill - 2020-01-30

"Your faith in polls is almost touching"
who says i have faith in them? they're all the data we have, and your rotten-brained musings are much less reliable, relevant, and interesting. your criticism of bernie as too old applies to the only serious other contender at this point, and biden's nearly as senile as you.

Hazelnut - 2020-01-30

Language like “your rotten-brained musings” only detracts from your point.

poorwill - 2020-01-30

fuck you

Hazelnut - 2020-01-30


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-01-30

>>>your criticism of bernie as too old applies to the only serious other contender at this point,

You should think of "too old" and "just had a heart attack" as one item.

Also, he fell down in the shower a few months earlier, so you should think of "too old" "heart attack" and "fell down in the shower" as one item.

I hope and believe that Elizabeth Warren and Pete Buttigieg are still in the running.

poorwill - 2020-01-30

it would be super funny if you had a heart attack and died, you old pedo fuck

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-01-31

In Poe-News, someone once said that, for giving me birth, they would like to cut out my mother's uterus with a rusty sword, and replace it with a rotten used colostomy bag. Looking back, what made the statement genius was the rusty sword. It gave the image a visionary quality, like a Blake watercolor. How weary, stale, flat and unprofitable seem all your bland, generic insults.

That guy - 2020-01-31

poorwill you kinda just got S N I P E D

poorwill - 2020-02-01

i don't craft the insults i aim at JHM based on how much JHM would appreciate them, you dumdum. JHM's idea of a great insult would be, like, if i wished JHM would get smothered to death by 14yo girls.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-02-02

Okay, that's just moronic. Logically, it makes no sense... and as dull and predictable as it is to be accused of being a pedophile for.the 7000th time, why would you go for 7001?

poorwill - 2020-02-02

idk what to tell you JHM, you literally have no other distinguishing characteristics than 'unreachable idiot' and 'pedophile'.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-02-02

Except that I'm not a pedophile, and your attempts to reach me are centered on evoking that narrative over and over.

Your only distiguishing characteristic seems to be a sadly imparied ability to distinguish things.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-01-29

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2016/02/26/opinion/th e-governing-cancer-of-our-time.amp.html

Accidie - 2020-01-29

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BHWW - 2020-01-30

The DNC Machine has been ramping up the attacks, especially the narrative that the "Bernie Bros" are misogynist harassers attacking anyone who dares to criticize their candidate, and suggesting his campaign surreptitiously supports that.

Well, you also have people openly calling Sanders a Russian pawn, too.

Hazelnut - 2020-01-30

Honestly most of the pto/anti-Bernie hate is manufactured. Y trolls and right wingers trying to drive a wedge between Democrats. Fuck that. Let’s keep it respectful.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-01-30

I saw an article last week where the author said he had learned that the term "Bernie Bro" is associated with unjustified accusations of misogyny, and for that reason, in the future, he would use "Berniesplainers".

If I was a woman, and I had the same encounters with Sanders supporters, I might conclude that they were misogynist assholes. As a white male, I decided that they were regular assholes. Looking back, I suppose it may have been a factor in some cases.

Actually, I saw similar behavior in 2008 from Obama supporters. As a Clinton supporter in 2008, I think I may have used the term "Obama Nazis" a couple of times. The phenomen of shrill, bullying supporters who lose all sense of proportion, abandon reason, and respond to any dissent with witless expressions like "rotten-brained" and "fuck you" is not confined to any one candidate. It's not necessarily Bernie Sanders' fault, and it doesn't directly reflect on Sanders as a candidate.

BHWW - 2020-01-30

Mr. Sanders, do you condemn the bullying coming from your supporters? Since last week alone I've been shoved into a locker, given a swirlie and repeatedly hit in the face with my own hand whilst being told to stop hitting myself - all at the hands of your "Bernard Brothers", at least three of whom were wearing #Gamergate t-shirts.

poorwill - 2020-01-31

"It's not necessarily Bernie Sanders' fault, and it doesn't directly reflect on Sanders as a candidate."
i want you to consider the idea that they hate you because you genuinely deserve it.

Gmork - 2020-01-31

imagine being so stupid you think being a bernie supporter and gamergater aren't mutually exclusive (with of course the statistically negligible amount of exceptions because hey - humans are hypocritcal, whodathunkit?)

Hazelnut - 2020-01-31

poorwill and Gmork do make a strong case for Biden.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-01-31

>>>i want you to consider the idea that they hate you because you genuinely deserve it.

They hated Hillary, not me.

poorwill - 2020-02-01

everybody hates you

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-02-02

That's because I'm a pedophile (jerk off sign).

poorwill - 2020-02-02

that's right, you jerk off to kids

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-02-02

You're welcome.

Hazelnut - 2020-01-30

Bleh, phoneposting. Let me try that again: most of the PRO/anti-Bernie hate is manufactured BY trolls and right wingers trying to drive a wedge. Fuck that. Let’s keep it respectful.

Marlon Brawndo - 2020-01-30

I literally want to drink Hillary's tears if Bernie wins.

Hazelnut - 2020-01-30

MR is a racist troll and not worth replying to.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-01-31

While I'm no fan of racism, Brawndo's misuse of "literally" is reason enough to ignore that post. In the words of Philip J. Fry, it makes me "literally angry with rage"!

Ugh - 2020-01-30

obama's ethereal "hope" campaign left me indifferent and unsure, but bernie's policy ideas and consistency have left me legitimately hopeful

Nominal - 2020-01-31

"Ethereal" campaign platforms like medical insurance overhauling, which he and Democrats delivered on in their first year. Oh, but he used a one word slogan during his campaign! Waiter, take my vote back. It's slightly undercooked!

Let's order up Bernie's solid, concrete campaign stances instead. Stances like, "We should have let the world economy collapse just like 1929 in order to send those bankers a message, bankers I will send to jail because they broke the law, what law that is I don't know! But I know they must have!"

Ugh - 2020-01-31

oh yes the healthcare system of penalize those who make just enough to not receive medicaid and can't qualify for insurance through their jobs

bernie is an utter idealist and that's what i want; i'm tired of watching dems capitulate before reaching the bargaining table

i'm well aware that president isn't a magical wizard position but i'm ready to try something more than another centrist concession carnival

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-01-31

I've been posting this link since 2016, and around 2017, I found my favorite teacher from high school was on Facebook, and he had been posting it. Someone please read it.


The centrist concession festival is how things are supposed to work, a big reason why it hasn't worked is because of the dissolution of the left. Without a viable left, the center becomes the right, and Sean Hannity gets to portray Barak Obama as a Communinst.

The challenge for the Democrats is to give the Bernies and the AOCs a place at the table, but not at the head of the table, not yet. Hillary Clinton was the nominee in 2016, and so I hold her responsible, not Bernie, not even his dickish followers, for the lost opportunity to create a viable American left. She should have been onstage with Bernie. She should have promised him a cabinet post. She should have campained with him. She was the one whose job it was to reach out, no one else.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-01-31

"I'm ready to try something more than another centrist concession carnival." is why 10 per cent of Bernie supporters voted for Trump in 2016.

Ugh - 2020-01-31

how's that supreme court justice obama appointed working out

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-01-31

"Darby Holroyd" is almost certainly an anagram.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-01-31

>>>"We should have let the world economy collapse just like 1929 in order to send those bankers a message, bankers I will send to jail because they broke the law, what law that is I don't know! But I know they must have!"

Citation also fucking needed!

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-01-31

>>>how's that supreme court justice obama appointed working out

I feel like this is supposeed to be a reply to me, but I'm not sure how.

Ugh - 2020-01-31

i was limply flailing at nominal because i am a baby

putting on my big boy pants: i'm a bit younger than a lot of poetv, as the only dem presidents i've known since i was born are clinton and obama. i popped out during early reagan

i can't help but be disappointed. clinton is an objectively terrible person who "tried" to get universal healthcare going, even with a strongly dem congress, and managed to act as though giving 5 mil kids coverage was a true blessing. he got way too cozy with the PRC under the us tradition of expanding democracy. he expanded mediocre band-aids like EITC which amount to jack and shit respectively. he seemed satisfied with dont ask dont tell despite initial attempts for open equality for service members. he loved the death penalty a whole lot, signed DOMA, shit on immigrants with iirira, weakened glass steagall

not going to do obama because double checking that clinton stuff was depressing enough

you're almost assuredly aware of all this but i can't look at that list of middling concessions and outright vile choices and act as though it's too soon for someone further left to try and push hard on the overton window

Ocyrus - 2020-01-31

Bernie may or may not be able to beat Drumpf, but there is currently no other candidate who I see having any shot at beating Drumpf.
Like AOC said, the Dems are a bunch of right wing centrists now. Another fascist garbage party.
If you're still a Dem, you're a retard, and GOPhers are brain dead "I got mine -ers".

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-01-31

>>>Like AOC said, the Dems are a bunch of right wing centrists now. Another fascist garbage party.

YIKES, What? Citation fucking needed!

Nominal - 2020-01-31

Right of center! Corporatism! Buzzwordbuzzwordbuzzword to get anyone not to vote for the main opposition to Trump! BOTH sides are the real problem! Oh my god, they killed Kenny!

It's amazing how long Bernie bleaters have clung to the myth that their guy is the only one who could beat Trump, despite every nationwide poll showing otherwise, and despite Bernie losing every possible vote in primaries. They took him winning in Iowa and a couple other flyover states as a mandate from heaven that he and no one else should be in the White House, despite leading in no other demographic but college town whites. Shocking revelation: the entire country isn't made up of college town whites.

The level of denial has reached such cultish heights that you have dumb manbabies like Binro proclaiming with a straight face that they're voting for Sanders because they're tired of old white guys running everything. That's on the same cognitive dissonance of conservatives voting for billionaires because they're tired of "fat cat elites".

Nominal - 2020-01-31

Haha, just saw Ocyrus' "liberals get the bullet too" comment from last week. This is the kind of brain trust that puts stock in 3rd parties.

Hazelnut - 2020-01-31

There’ll be a lot of that this year. In ‘18 poetv was flooded with ‘the only cool thing to do is not vote’ edgelordism. Because I’m sure our massive numbers will swing the election.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-01-31

Democrats are in a situation roughly analogous to the Republicans in 2016, though less extreme and corrupt. You have too many candidates to fit in one clown car, and the candidates that manage to stand out in the crowd are the most objectionable. In this analogy, Bernie is Trump. Joe Biden is Ted Cruise.

I'm not sure who, but someone among the already eliminated would have been a better choice. I think it's especially unfortunate that we already have lost all the candidates of color. Since 2000, Democrats have lost 100 per cent of presidential races with a white nominee, and won 100 per cent of races with black nominee. Five races is not much of a sample, but 100 is a fairly strong percentage.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-01-31

I was too young to vote in 1972, so I did some volunteer work for the McGovern campaign. If Bernie Sanders becomes a cautonary tale for handing over 2020 to Trump, that's how long it'll be before the left gets the mainstream again.

Nominal - 2021-01-29

Turns out all the "right of center" dopes were dead wrong and those dirty CENTRISTS were the key for Biden breaking a nearly 30 year trend of incumbent dominance!

Can't wait for the next 4 years of accusing Bernie of selling Bernie out for accepting the budget committee position, because nothing is ever pure enough,

ashtar. - 2021-01-29

Yes, I was wrong.


Biden won by like 1% in the only states that matter under our dumb constitution, dems lost seats in the house, and they barely cracked even in the senate.

This was all while the sitting president mismanaged the worst national disaster since the great depression. Had things continued apace with no pandemic, or had Trump even been able to appear to manage it effectively, Trump probably would have won.

The Biden coalition relied on split ticket white suburbanites and is highly unstable. It also depended on an historically unpopular opponent and a massive national disaster. Biden doesn't seem poised to be able to deliver any meaningful legislation.

I mean, yay for no more Trump, but mid term the only real cause for optimism is the potential of the republican party to shatter and infight.

Since we're grading predictions, I'm going to go ahead and say that either the Q people fuck the GOP's shit up in a big way or the dems lose a lot of seats in the midterms.

ashtar. - 2021-01-29

I guess I phrased that in a way that I can't be wrong. The right fringe has been assimilating with the rest of the party (by dragging it rightward) pretty effectively for a while and I don't think that'll change.

So I am going to go ahead and guess that they'll take both houses (the senate map looks pretty good so far for them). Hit me up in 2022 and make fun of me if I'm wrong.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-01-30

Well, looking back at what I wrote a year ago, I also feel that I was wrong about a lot of things. I'm pretty happy with Biden. I think he's just what we need right now. Incredibly, the Republicans have become even more terrifying and enraging with Trump out of office. I really don't have the appetite for a lunge to the left. I'd be afraid of what comes next.

If I found a button on my phone that killed all white men over 60, I wouldn't hesitate, even though I would be on the list. You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.

I think we need to put everyone in two lines, one for white men over 55, one for everyone else. They get the vaccine, we get the guillotine. Just tell us that we're getting the vaccine ahead of everyone else, because we're so important. Don't worry; we'll believe you.

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