|Hazelnut - 2020-02-20 |
The story here is that Meghan McCain misunderstood and overreacted to a cartoon of "a tearful McCain holding a Jude six-pointed star, pouring matzo ball soup mix into a bowl", not realising the artist was Jewish himself and was being sarcastic.
This was over a background of some on the far right attacking the antisemitism of some on the far left—which is disingenuous and hypocritical, but doesn’t excuse racism on either side!
In SolRo's mind, this snafu over a cartoon means all anti-Semitism is now justified and all critics of anti-Jewish racism are forever discredited.
That's what he means when he keeps on spammIng “OK Meghan McCain".
Did Luciana Berger receive death threats as a Jewish Labour MP? That’s just “right wing propaganda”, you’re “gullible” to believe her. OK, Meghan McCain!
Did the Chief Rabbi of the UK warn of a resurgence of antisemitism? Right wing propagandist! He’s a Meghan McCain!
Was George Soros attacked by letter bombs inspired by the anti-semitic libel peddled by Trump, neo-Nazis, and SolRo? I guess Soros must have mailed them to himself, or it’s fine to try to murder him because he’s rich, or because Palestine. Meghan McCain!
Over 80% of British Jews were polled as saying they’re concerned by antisemitism in the Labour Party. Gosh, what a bunch of total Meghans!
Synagogues attacked across Europe? La la la not listening Meghan McCain Meghan McCain!
Holocaust Remembrance? Can we at least agree amongst ourselves that anti-Semitism is wrong? Downvote. One star. Dog cocks. Bunch of concern trolling Meghans.
Congratulations SolRo, you win the 2020 Decent Human Being award.
By the way, this may be important, with your definition of Judaism being genetic and following a religion makes you a distinct “race” then that makes me half Jewish. I also got the social ‘benefit’ of having a Jewish last name.
So to quote the video; Fuck you.
Brawndo: “it’s okay for me to stereotype Blacks and Muslims because I have Hispanic ancestry”
SolRo: “I can hate Jews all I want be ause I have s ‘Jewish’ last name.”
Neither of these make any sense. I have never attempted to ‘define’ Judaism. It’s an identity, and identities tend to defy easy categorization.
Damn solro. Going full Chernobyl.
Hijacking the top because um.. nobody has made fun of his bad skin when the first thing he talks about is bad skin?
I'm totally not giving an askance glare at what this site has become. Just kidding, I am. I'm on the balcony with Statler and Waldorf, because you really want to be on a high point when a ship goes down.
|jfcaron_ca - 2020-02-20 |
Downvoting the Poe-News waltz that's been going on between these commenters for the past few weeks. This sucks, stop it.
I completely agree.
This is as good a time as any to mention that for my own mental health I’m going to take some time off from poetv.
JHM is right, I shouldn’t let it get to me like this.
It actually really hurt (much more than I would have expected) that people on this site who have known me for years could choose to imagine I’m somehow just pretending to hate anti-semitism, that it’s all “concern trolling”.
I know that I have myself to blame. First I should have let more time pass between arguing about the rich and arguing about anti-Semitism. (In my defence SolRo started it by saying it was ‘gullible’ to care about attacks on Jews — but it played right into his hands). It’s also a mistake to let it bother me so much: there are thousands of racists on the Internet, SolRo is just one more, and I shouldn’t let myself be wounded by the opinions of anonymous Internet people.
For avoidance of doubt: yes, I am sincerely convinced that SolRo does hate Jews. I’ve actually wondered about it since 2015 but like most of you I made excuses. He knows he can’t actually say “fuck the Jews” here, so he dances and dodges and dog-whistles like a mini-Trump.
He isn’t always subtle either. “Ship them off to some island in the middle of the pacific, because they cant seem to get along with anyone but themselves.” is pretty fucking un-subtle.
You know, some countries took SolRo’s “ship them off” advice in living memory. It was ugly. Don’t tell me he’d be opposed if it happened again; you know as well as I do he’d cheer it.
No, I am not stirring shit. I find the whole thing utterly distasteful. At first I really wanted to be wrong and tried to give SolRo every opportunity. At this point I’m convinced we’ve all given him way too many excuses because we’re familiar with him, like a racist uncle at Thanksgiving.
And that’s not acceptable because he’s using it to rile up hate, including hate against Jews. He has spent two weeks now loudly proclaiming that antisemitism isn’t real, that if you care about death threats sent to Jewish figures or letter bombs or attacks on synagogues you must be a “Meghan McCain”, a “right-wing propagandist” or their “gullible tool”.
Listen, feel free to hate billionaires, feel free to hate the government of Israel. If you do, please take the tiniest little effort to separate yourself from people who deliberately use that language as an old ugly libel against Jewish “bankers” and “propagandists” pulling the strings from the shadows.
Don’t be SolRo.
Sorry to dramatically flounce off, I’m thoroughly embarrassed for myself, but here we are. I hope to be back, but I’ve promised myself at least a month’s vacation (and oh I can’t wait!). I’llonly return when I’m confident I won’t be so easily pulled into a “dance” with a racist who argues in bad faith.
Take care hazelnut. I appreciate your futile attempts to be civil.
I’m glad you took the videos advice to fuck off, Meghan.
I agree with him. Fuck antisemitism. Fuck SolRo.
Except I’m not. He just made a bunch of shit up because he couldn’t convince me that billionaires are nice people.
Ive been following these threads. Yes, you really are.
Time for me to quit coming to POE after having lurked since POE Red was new and exciting. If I wanted dumb political arguments, I could just go to Facebook.
Passive aggressive, pissy accusations of anti-semitism from a "money makes right" turd in progressive clothing does not equal civil, no matter his feigning tone.
"The Labour party are the REAL anti-semitics!" is something the BNP wishes they had thought of. All the claims to compassionate progressiveness in the world can't change the fact that's some weapons grade Roger Ailes spin shit.
Urkel Forever, this has been happening cyclically for like 15 years, since the Poe-News days. It'll go away again in a week or two.
Hazelnut if you had stopped at "I agree and will stop my half of the waltz" then I would believe you. You are part of the problem. Stop it.
|Bort - 2020-02-21 |
Thought I'd put this here:
So it's official: if you think an old Jewish man shouldn't interrupt other people, then you're anti-Semitic -- and presumably that applies whether we're talking about Bernie or Bloomberg or some other old Jewish man.
I'm all for cracking down on anti-Semitism, but employing it like a "Magic: the Gathering" card to win forum feuds or defend one's preferred politician is some grade-A bullshit.
Silly, anti-semitism is resenting society-destroying billionaires!
Some billionaires are Jewish, therefore hating billionaires is racist.
-tl;dr of hazels argument
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