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ashtar. - 2022-10-21

I used to work for a former pro surfer who used to hang out with the Patagonia guy's son. Lots of cocaine and trophy hunting in Africa. Their public image is bullshit.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2022-10-21

Yeah, I know what's coming.

I am a little uncomfortable with the idea of "no good billionaires", as it kind of smacks of the custom, derived from Christianity (but NOT from the teachings of Christ), and practiced by people of all faiths, of dividing everyone into the saved and the damned. Maybe there are some good people who are also billionaires. After all, we all are complicit in the crimes of capitalism, and if a billionaire makes a huge gesture like this and still isn't being helpful, what chance is there of redemption? Or maybe it's not such a huge gesture? I don't know, I didn't watch the video, and I am really high right now.

I prefer a less judgemental way of addressing the issue, and here it is:

Capitalism needs billionaires, humanity does not.

So much wealth in so few hands is not a public good, and it does not, as a rule, incentivize public good. Fuck it, I'm going to cook some spaghetti, and stream some Joe Bob Briggs.


Binro the Heretic - 2022-10-21

Every single billionaire goes to sleep every night knowing a mere fraction of their wealth could make life easy for their fellow human beings.

And they get up the next day doing nothing to help and many things to harm.

Then they go right back to bed and repeat the process.

There are no good billionaires.


ashtar. - 2022-10-21

Individual virtue is irrelevant. The role they play in the system is evil. It's like being the British Viceroy in India during the British Raj. There shouldn't be such a position, the position exists to do bad things, and having a "nice" person fill it doesn't make it any better.


SolRo - 2022-10-21

You should just associate the word billionaire with rapist.

Is there one good rapist out there, despite the bad reputation all the other rapists have?


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2022-10-22

I think perhaps we all go to bed knowing that we could have done better by HUMANITY. .

I actually sort of agree with Ashtar, and I'm not even that high any more. Individual virtue is irrelevant, and therefore moral judgements are superfluous.. This is way beyond the point of the video, which, if I watched, I would probably agree with.

And it almost never helps, unless you want to do evil. Judging people morally inferior is useful in war, in genocide, and in propaganda. The Right wing media doesn't argue that racism is good. They argue that the other side are the REAL racists, and therefore hypocritical, and the hypocrisy is worse than the raping. The only problems this has ever solved are the problems of the powerful, e.g. the inheritance tax and the EPA. It doesn't solve any of the real problems of the people. Dividing is great for conquering, but in solving problems, it's superfluous at best, and harmful at worst.

Yet it seems necessary sometimes, which is why I knew I'd get opposition here. In reality, it's just easy. To judge someone else morally inferior is always available as a means of satisfaction, even if it improves nothing.


SolRo - 2022-10-22

I’m sorry man but ‘billionaire’ is so far outside the realm of any nuance.

You have to consciously strive, constantly, to get there. No one goes “whoops I become billionaire” one day. You spend your waking moments underpaying employees and creating monopolies. Paying accountants to find any way possible to not pay any taxes while spending millions to lobby the government to grant favors to your business.

That’s why the rapist analogy is apt. There aren’t any accidental rapists.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2022-10-22

I would argue that there absolutely are accidental rapists.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2022-10-22

>>>Is there one good rapist out there, despite the bad reputation all the other rapists have?

The problem is rape. It's not that rapists are bad people. Rape is a crime, and it creates a need for consequences and justice for the sake ,of the criminal's dignity, as well as the victim's. That doesn't require a moral judgement of an entire person. If it ever becomes necessary, I'll shove Elon's head into the guillotine myself... out of necessity.


Binro the Heretic - 2022-10-22

I actually go to bed sad every night that so many people are in need and that, although helping them wouldn't take a lot of money, it would take way more money than I'll ever see in my lifetime.

But people who could fix so many of the world's problems and still have multiple billions left for themselves never think about that. Their head hits the pillow without a care in the world.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2022-10-21

By the way, Adam Conover's Netflix series is highly recommended. It's the kind of discussion about government we need to be having, and it's, you know, moderately entertaining in a youtube kind of way.


Binro the Heretic - 2022-10-21

I really like the series.

Ultra-leftists hate it because it's funded by Obama's charitable organization and he had Obama on the show and failed to berate or assassinate him.


Crackersmack - 2022-10-22

we all live in the wreckage of the corruption of the 2009 Democrats, led by Obama. Everything that is going wrong in America right now started rolling uncontrollably down the hill when the Democrats that were elected in response to Bush decided that they were gonna fuck us. if you hate Trump you have to hate Obama too because he could not have existed in his current form without Obama's extraordinary efforts.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2022-10-22

>>>. if you hate Trump you have to hate Obama too because he could not have existed in his current form without Obama's extraordinary efforts.

What do you mean by "his current form?" If not for Obama, would he be taller? Would he be a Hulk? A transwoman?

You're not getting it. I would lay down my life to prevent Trump from running again. He inspires terror, anger, and outrage more than anything else in my world ever has, but I don't hate. If Trump renounced politics, and asked me to forgive him, I would. That would be MUCH BETTER than laying down my life. I stopped going to the Stop Fascism subbredit because they're all sucking each others dicks, getting work up Trump getting imprisoned or (sometimes) executed, instead of stopping fascism. I don't really care if Trump is punished. Justice would be nice, but "America first," if you get my meaning.
The best outcome I can imagine would be if Don John Un gets into enough legal trouble that he's forced to make a deal that keeps him out of politics. Anything else, I think it will go badly. The tree of liberty will have to be refreshed once more, with the blood of patriots and morons.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2022-10-21

Stars for the link to the (un?)intentionally hilarious title "ADAM RUINS MATTRESSES"!


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2022-10-22

Exactly my point. The moral judgement of Obama outweighs the discussion of practical solutions.

Face it, leftists, whatever Obama's crimes may be, he's gotten away with them.

If you put Bernie Sanders in the White House, he's probably going to kill some motherfuckers, because no one wants to be the one to lose America. This isn't going to go well for me, and this is more than we can ever know, but if one of those drone strikes prevented another 9/11, it may have also prevented another war in which another million people might have died, and it might have also prevented the victory of fascism in America, which, believe me, would be bad for the whole world, except for the fascists. I'm not supporting drone strikes. I'm arguing epistemology here. I'm saying we don't know. The people who made the decision don't know. Maybe sometimes, Neville Chamberlain is wrong, and maybe sometimes, Edith Keeler must die.


Binro the Heretic - 2022-10-22

Obama was our "hope & change" for abut 6 months until we realized he was just another centrist neoliberal Democrat.

I can understand why a lot of my fellow progressives are angry at him and are angry at Conover for taking his money and not holding his feet to the fire, but it really doesn't bother me.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2022-10-22

I'm over Reagan. Never thought I'd be over Reagan, meaning I never thought I'd ever stop being enraged at the thought of that 20 mule team borax-hawking piece of racist shit. Reagan and I are fine now. He forgot all, and I forgave all.


Binro the Heretic - 2022-10-23

Listen to the "Behind the Bastards" podcast. In a recent series, they talk about the CIA, cocaine smuggling and the crack epidemic of the 1980s.

Listen to the two-part series "The Dollop" did on Reagan.

It will stoke the fires of hatred for Reagan afresh within your soul.

The man was a monster. A slow awful painful death from Alzheimer's was the very least he deserved.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2022-10-22

That was a reply to Binro, obviously.


Binro the Heretic - 2022-10-22

Who was this a reply to?

:P


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2022-10-22

WHAT DO MEAN BY "WE", KIMO SABE?

www.noshitsherlock.org


Nominal - 2022-10-22

B-B-BUT THEY DONATE TO CHARITY!!!!

Remember that douche here who called everyone anti-semitic for not buying into #NotAllBillionaires?

Remember that same douche who tried to call everyone monsters for mocking anti-vaxxers?

What a douche.


Nominal - 2022-10-22

"What percentage of Warren Buffet's net worth have YOU donated to charity?"


Never forget ;_;


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2022-10-22

I haven't actually donated a significant percentage of my own net worth to charity.


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