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Hazelnut - 2023-11-20

The criminal Netanyahu regime is committing war crimes. That is abhorrent and needs to be fought.

Hamas is committing war crimes. That is abhorrent and needs to be fought.

They are not equivalent by any means. But both are abhorrent and need to be fought.

Meanwhile SolRo, who hates Jews, attacks BLM, and kisses Putin's ass, is a mini Elon Musk without the billions. He is abhorrent, but pathetic, and only needs to be mocked. A good place to start is by donating what you can to https://www.ifrc.org/donate

SolRo - 2023-11-20

lol this is what it took to get your lying bitch ass to come back crying

Also Zionist cock sucker doing a “both sides are bad actually” to cover for his team committing genocide

Hazelnut - 2023-11-20

I could argue with the race-baiting troll, but will instead make a donation to the Red Crescent. They do good work. They actually care.

Gmork - 2023-11-20

"The criminal Netanyahu regime is committing war crimes. That is abhorrent and needs to be fought.

Hamas is committing war crimes. That is abhorrent and needs to be fought.

They are not equivalent by any means. But both are abhorrent and need to be fought."

My exact sentiments. I am baffled by anyone taking a different tack regardless of their personal loyalties or affiliations.

Crackersmack - 2023-11-20

"Hitler is committing war crimes. That is abhorrent and needs to be fought. The people responsible for the Warsaw Uprising are committing war crimes. That is abhorrent and needs to be fought."

"Plantation owners are committing war crimes. That is abhorrent and needs to be fought. Nat Turner/John Brown/Harriet Tubman are committing war crimes. That is abhorrent and needs to be fought."

"Andrew Jackson is committing war crimes. That is abhorrent and needs to be fought. The Cherokee Nation are committing war crimes. That is abhorrent and needs to be fought."

Gmork - 2023-11-20

I'm almost tempted to see how bad of a take our resident libertarian Florida man has. Almost.

glasseye - 2023-11-20

Yeah, more Palestinian children have been murdered in the past month than the total number of Israelis killed by Palestinians since 1948. "Both sides"ing this is just fucking ghoulish.

Hazelnut - 2023-11-21

You can oppose the murder of children without, you know, cheerleading the murder of children. That's a thing you can do.

I was against the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, and I was also horrified by September 11th. That's not "both sides"ing, that's giving an actual shit.

Crackersmack - 2023-11-21

your argument is literally "the oppressed people are being too mean to their captors" so yeah it's not really "both sides" you are just sympathizing with fascists because you are one of them

Hazelnut - 2023-11-21

Nice strawman

Crackersmack - 2023-11-21

self-defense against fascism isn't abhorrent, it's righteous

SolRo - 2023-11-21

I’d just like to point out how pathetic it is that this pair of saggy bitch tits hasn’t commented in 2 years and only came back to (again) defend Zionist genocide while crying that supporting Palestinians is antisemitism

Hazelnut - 2023-11-21

Hm, let's see, I could engage with the racist troll but... nah, will donate some more to the Red Crescent instead. Have fun, mini Elon.

SolRo - 2023-11-21

Post receipts for all the donations I caused you to make

Hazelnut - 2023-11-21

Yeah, not gonna do that. We’ll each do what we’re best at: I’ll keep volunteering and trying to help where I can, you keep blowing Crackersmack.

SolRo - 2023-11-21

Oh our own personal mother Teresa here is just dying on the cross for our sins

Do you even realize how full of shit you are?

Hazelnut - 2023-11-21

I see we have chosen to spend the last two years differently. Have fun, hypocritical little racist, and remember, it’s still not too late for you to take a real look in the mirror.

Gmork - 2023-11-21

Imagine being so fucking stupid you make an entire strawman argument based on the fact you ignored their ackowledgement of the power disparity.

Israel is shit. Hamas is shit. Civilians, if they're not genocidal, deserve our sympathy. If I find out the entire thing on Oct 7 was a false flag there's still plenty of reason to hate Hamas.

If you can't allow both parties to be perceived as bad, despite the power difference - if you think it's impossible for both things to be true simultaneously - you are a fucking moron.

If you don't separate hamas from the civilians, you're a fucking moron.

If you don't separate the Israeli leadership from the citizens many of whom opposed Israel's actions - you're a fucking moron.

If you got any other than "there's nobody to support but the civilians, and when then only the ones who aren't genocidal" from what I've said, you're a fucking moron

Israel being proto Hitler doesn't mean Hamas are freedom fighters. And yes there's a grey area, a whole ocean of it, surrounding the fact that many Hamas fighters are there out of genuine outrage and revenge and don't really give a fuck about the religious element as much as the revenge part of it. There are Palestinians who hates Hamas but fight for them because that's literally there pipeline to getting guns so they can fight the people who killed their family members.

If you think Israel doing a genocide means it's a faux pas to criticize Hamas, you're a fucking moron.

Crackersmack - 2023-11-21

somehow I can hear your jowls jiggling gmork

SolRo - 2023-11-21

If I just blame yahoo for the genocide that means the settlers, the genocidal IDF and the genocidal government bureaucrats all get a pass right?

Like every Nazi was innocent after Hitler died

teethsalad - 2023-11-21

"self-defense against fascism isn't abhorrent, it's righteous"

...except back when the ukraine war was kicking off and you and solro were gleefully fantasizing about how quick russia was going to bring the decadent west to heel

SolRo - 2023-11-21

Citation needed

Crackersmack - 2023-11-22

yeah speaking of Ukraine, interesting how much hate was generated against Russia/Putin for a tiny fraction of the collateral damage that Israel has caused. not to mention that (whether you agree with them or not) Russia has actual defensible reasons for invading Ukraine that are more substantial than "God loves us more than any other race, and he wants us to have this"

Hazelnut - 2023-11-22

Here we see two hate-spewing trolls exposed, eviscerated, debunked, and discredited.

Of course tomorrow they'll be right at it again, because PoeTV has even less moderation of outright racism and calls to violence than Elon's X. That gives the loudest voice to whatever putrid fascist has nothing better to do than post all day, every day.

Which is why, fun as it can be to humiliate them, the important thing for all of us here who actually do care is to take what concrete action we can. I'll repeat that IFRC is a great place to start.

Crackersmack - 2023-11-22

lmao are you seriously crying for moderators here? lol go back into your closet for another couple years bitch and watch as public opinion changes rapidly wrt your little fascist shithole country.

we're gonna see, in our lifetime, something like justice for Palestinians. I hope it stings.

Hazelnut - 2023-11-22

Like I said. :–)

SolRo - 2023-11-22

lol squealing like a stuck pig and constantly lying is the only thing you do nut boy

Just go away again, you are worthless

Hazelnut - 2023-11-22

Exactly like I said. :–)

Gmork - 2023-11-25

without even knowing what he's saying I can 100% guarantee smack's take is anti israel because he's been waiting his entire life for this. to those who have to endure his words, can you detect a certain glee from current events?

now he has _permission_

SolRo - 2023-11-25

Nothing wrong with being anti Israel

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2023-11-26

Now you're talking! Being anti Israel is at least as valid as being pro-israel.

Nominal - 2023-11-20

IDF plants dimebag in Gaza.

Invasion justified.

Crackersmack - 2023-11-20

What is shocking is how low-effort the propaganda is. They aren't even trying.

Our political class is so captured by Israel that the lobbyists have forbidden the word 'ceasefire' from even being spoken out loud by most elected Democrats, despite 70%+ of Democratic voters supporting a ceasefire.

We're gonna hear a lot in the next year about how me just have to mobilize for Biden anyway, to preserve 'our precious democracy.'

Binro the Heretic - 2023-11-20

The tunnel system graphic reminds me so much of that illustration of Bin Laden's underground mountain base.

Except much lazier.

glasseye - 2023-11-20

Same shit, different decade.

Adham Nu'man - 2023-11-21

Oh noes, the fact that they piled up weapons in a room totally proves Hamas would never use a hospital as a base of operations!

They WOULD rape a woman, cut off her breasts while raping her, throw the breats around and make jokes, then shoot her in the head while in the act of raping her.

But hiding in a hospital? Nah, that would be immoral.

SolRo - 2023-11-21

The IDF could also make up all kinds of bullshit and spread it online for simple idiots like you to guzzle at accept without a second thought

Gmork - 2023-11-21

You don't need to read a single word the IDF prints to know that mob violence is an extremist Muslim staple. Go on LiveLeak if you have that hard of a time believing it.

Anyways I don't listen to a thing the IDF says because they're fucking fascists. I just know that Muslim extremists do this shit. It's weird you would assume acknowledging that is somehow buying into IDF lies.

Muslims can be shit AND the IDF can be shit. In fact, that's generally the case.

Gmork - 2023-11-21

I genuinely want to know if even a single poetv user supports Israel or believes the shit they put out. Even pro Israel people can be anti netanyahu and anti genocide. What a concept.

Lots of folks talking to each other here in the comments like they genuinely believe anyone here listens to the IDF.

I wanna know who believes the IDF.

Anybody? Anybody at all?

Crackersmack - 2023-11-21

"They WOULD rape a woman, cut off her breasts while raping her, throw the breats around and make jokes, then shoot her in the head while in the act of raping her."

I heard that Palestinians have eyes that glow red, and that they are cannibals.

Adham Nu'man - 2023-11-21

I support Israel.

The IDF can and will lie, they are not some universal paragon of justice.

The IDF as a formal mechanism also has to provide some shred of accountability to its people, that includes the population of Israel, the press and the international community. Making up shit is complicated and will be scrutinized. International backing for Israel can and will falter according to how they engage in war.

That doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but compare that to Hamas, whose mission of intent is to kill the jews and liberate all of Palestine (aka Israel gone). They are not a formal mechanism, have no formal scrutiny, and their backers (Iran, Qatar) among others, couldn't care less if they rape and pillage and torture and maim filthy jews.

Israel has the advantage of superior military capability. Hamas has the advantage of being able to do whatever it fucking wants.

Gmork - 2023-11-21

I thought it was pretty obvious when I said "support Israel" I meant in the context of their current genocide.

Do you support that? Or just the idea of Israel and not the genocide?

Honestly I feel like it had to intentional for you to misinterpret that part.

Adham Nu'man - 2023-11-21

"Israel wants to commit genocide".

Israel just wants to be left the fuck alone.

Now they are running a war with little regard to collateral damage. It sucks.

But this notion of "committing genocide". There are arabs living and working in Israel. There are Palestinian arabs living and working in Israel.

When Hamas attacked on October 7th, this was the response they were expecting.

SolRo - 2023-11-21

The whole concept of Israel requires genocide to create the Zionist ethnostate

You cannot be pro Israel without being pro ethnic cleansing

glasseye - 2023-11-21

Nothing says "I want to just be left alone" like murdering thousands of children and tens of thousands of innocent civilians.

More CHILDREN alone than all Israelis than have been killed by Palestinians since 1948.

You stand with genocidal fascists, Adham.

Adham Nu'man - 2023-11-21

Not for a lack of trying though.

Tens of thousands of rockets (many many more than israel has fired at hamas) have been fired by Hamas towards Israel. The majority of these are intercepted by the Iron Dome and cause no civilian casualties.

Israel uses its army to protect its peiple.

Hamas, on the other hand, digs up water pipes to fire rockets from hospitals and schools at Israel.

Hamas uses the people to protect its army.

SolRo - 2023-11-21

“Murdering civilians is okay because Hamas”

-every Zionist cock sucker on poe

Adham Nu'man - 2023-11-22

It's not ok, but what do you do?

I'm not asking this as some "oh well that's life" kind of open ended question.

Lierally, what do you do? Palestinians used to be able to move and work in Israel. Probably not the ideal solution but better than what is now and certainly a step closer to a two state solution. What happened? Constant suicide bombings by Hamas.

Jordan took Palestinian refugees in, palestinian islamic militants started using Jordanian soil to fire rockets against israel and would rob jordanians to finance their cause. They even murdered the Jordanian prime minister.

Islamic theocracies like Iran continue to finance Hamas well knowing that this endagers the palestinian people. The palestinian people are cannon fodder in a proxy war that radical Islam is fighting against the jews.

SolRo - 2023-11-22

It’s weird that islamists aren’t targeting Jews in any other country other than the one where they established an apartheid state?

ashtar. - 2023-11-22

The peace process in large part failed because Israel refused to remove/transfer authority over illegal settlements in the West Bank as generally laid out in the Oslo Accords. This made a two state solution impossible. Instead, they accelerated settlement activity, which continues to this day.

Look at a map of the west bank settlement and tell me how the Palestinians are supposed to have a state there?

(Rabin was assassinated for signing Oslo. Itamar Ben Gvir who as a teen threatened Rabin on television, holding the broken-off hood ornament from Rabin's car, is now the Minister of National Security.)

Adham Nu'man - 2023-11-22

Yes, what Israel continues to do with settlers is absolutely gross and shitty, I'll give you that.

Gmork - 2023-11-25

"genocide ok because hamas bad"

well that dead-ended with adham. disappointing.

Gmork - 2023-11-25

and to be clear, hamas indeed bad. much bad. that's not the issue and never was.

Adham Nu'man - 2023-11-26


It's more: what did you expect Israel was going to do?

Did you expect them to just call a press conference and tell their citizens "sorry guys, 1,200 civilians got murdered in one day, women were raped and people burned alive while these guys laughed and cried 'God is Great'. A bunch of your fellow relatives and countrymen got kidnapped too. But oh well, it's just the price of this home we made for ourselves. Let's just keep on keeping on and let by-gones be by-gones" ?

I don't think Israel should have been created, but it was. Did you expect them not to start a war after this?

I'm not surprised, and I'd argue Hamas was not surprised either. They had to know this was going to happen.

SolRo - 2023-11-26

‘Murdering 5,000+ kids is okay because Hamas asked for it’

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2023-11-26


>>>Muslims can be shit AND the IDF can be shit. In fact, that's generally the case.

Do you see where you fucked up, GMORK?

Muslims and the IDF is a bad comparison, because MUSLIM is a religion, and IDF, I presume, is the Israeli army. I guess I should look that up. It's not a religion. . You can compare MUSLIMS with JEWS or the IDF with HAMAS.

I'm sorry to be the PC police, but this is a time when political correctness is actually important.

Gmork - 2023-11-21

"Hamas has the advantage of being able to do whatever it fucking wants"

How is this different besides in scope to Israel, who wants to commit a genocide and are pursuing that want?

Adham Nu'man - 2023-11-21

"Israel wants to commit a genocide". Why?

SolRo - 2023-11-21

Because an old book told them they are the master religion and that the land they never lived on belongs to them

Same shit as ISIS

ashtar. - 2023-11-22

I think the desire for the Jews to have a state based on the history of European anti-semitism and genocide is pretty reasonable. But they were also operating out of the traditions of European colonialism, and that made them not think hard enough about the fact that there were already people living here.

Israel aspires to both a liberal democracy and a specifically Jewish state. These two things have been in conflict since Jews are a minority on the land occupied by Israel. A two state solution has been made impossible by settlement of the West Bank. So, it's either ethnic cleansing Palestinians (preferably slowly and in a way that attracts minimal attention, but it sure looks like they're speeding it up lately) so they can have a Jewish Ethno-state, or a secular democracy with equal human rights for everyone. The first seems more likely, but I'm hoping for the latter.

Hazelnut - 2023-11-22

Well said Ashtar. I think that's the only hope that makes sense. While SolRo jerks off fantasizing about murdering Jewish families, the only real path forward is reconciliation. There are precedents. England and Ireland are at peace -- there's simmering hatred among a very few on both sides but the peace has held and the youth want to move on. The former Yugoslavia is more like a frozen conflict but at least they've more-or-less kept a lid on it for twenty years.

One can only hope that in a hundred years the grandkids of the people now fighting will look back on this conflict with as much disinterest and distaste as we look back on Europe's 17th Century Wars of Religion. Hope, and do what little we can to help.

SolRo - 2023-11-22

Just go back to celebrating Palestinian hospitals getting blown up in whatever Zionist shithole you’ve been circle jerking in the last 2 years

Hazelnut - 2023-11-22

Lazy troll is lazy

Adham Nu'man - 2023-11-22

I'm not here to discredit anyone's opinions on this. Ultimately, I think a peace process is necessary (although I see it as unlikely, as things stand).

I just want people who think Israel enjoys bombing hospital as a national sport and who think the end goal of Israel has always been "to commit ethnic cleansing" to consider the following: Al Shifa hospital as it stands today was built by Israel in the eighties.

SolRo - 2023-11-22


Like what does that mean? That Israelis are benevolent prison wardens for Gaza?

teethsalad - 2023-11-25

Like what does that mean? That Israelis are benevolent prison wardens for Gaza?

No, its just if "genocide" was the actual goal and they were as sinister as the comic book charicatures some of you seem to have of them i doubt they would take 70+ years and build infrastructure, provde electricity, etc. Its not like palestianians had a great history when they went to egypt or lebanon. Even if you take every israeli magically out of the equation and america crumbles to dust you're still going to have the shia/sunni split and a whole new round of magic book horseshit wars

But don't let me stop you from getting up on your high horse

SolRo - 2023-11-25

It’s a slow genocide and deliberate ethnic cleansing, anyone in denial about this is an utter fucking idiot.

Just because Israel has been forced in the past to provide bare necessities to their LITERAL FUCKING PRISON CAMP doesn’t mean they are good people or that blowing up refugee camps and hospitals to kill one Hamas guy (maybe) isn’t genocide.

Israel denied all of Gaza food and water, defend that shit you dumb shitheel.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2023-11-26

Indefensible. And you don't bomb a hospital, no matter what's under it.

Crackersmack - 2023-11-22

"I think the desire for the Jews to have a state based on the history of European anti-semitism and genocide is pretty reasonable."

how is the construction of an ethnically and religiously exclusionary state "pretty reasonable"?

before you even get to the part where they had to build it on top of somebody else, how is this defensible?

ashtar. - 2023-11-24

Maybe "understandable" would have been a better word. I don't think Zionisim is justifiable, but I can see why people supported it. Nation-States would not take Jewish refugees, and multi-cultural liberal democracies did not protect them. But establishing a colonial ethnostate of your own to escape persecution just leads to exactly recreating that persecution on others.

Fox-Pixar Media - 2023-11-24

Excuse me , but , there’s a certain amphibian you might not know of
He’s basically from the early 2000s or something

cognitivedissonance - 2023-11-22

*stacks the hay, thinks about winter*

SolRo - 2023-11-22

If everyone just said they support Israel doing a genocide or don’t care if Israel does a genocide then the Biden government would have given zero shits too.

The only reason that they are putting the most insignificant amount of pressure on the Zionists to take a break from mass murdering children is because so many ‘peasants’ put down their hoes and voiced their outrage.

But I get it, it’s very easy to be an apathetic affluent white American.

cognitivedissonance - 2023-11-23

The world is very big and round.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2023-11-26

I've always been amazed that the Bush administration never tried to plant WMDs in Iraq.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2023-11-26

Some of us are poor and terrified.

Maggot Brain - 2023-11-25

Bush 2 did Hamas. This is a fact.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2023-11-26

Having a hard time posting this.

There IS an equivalence here.

Each side is ruled by a militant, unpopular faction who cynically holds onto power by keeping the bloodshed going.

John Oliver's discussion, on this page really highlights that. Hamas fucking knew how Israel would respond, and if they didn't, they could have asked me. That makes them complicit in the death of Palestinians. Netanyahu and his extremist pals have scuttled the peace process and encouraged Hamas as a matter of strategy, which makes them complicit in Israeli deaths. Israel happens to have the bigger budget, and that's why more palestinians are dying. If it was more Israelis dying, they could still all eat my shit.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2023-11-26

They can all eat an equivalent amount of my shit.

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