|The Great Hippo - 2008-02-18 |
Wow! I didn't know Wally was a Creationist!
Also, I think Creationists at large have a problem with the concept that 'species' are an arbitrary distinction made by scientists so they can discuss this stuff without referring to every living organism as a completely unique manifestation of life (it truly is). ALL fossils are 'transitional'; ALL species are always in a state of transition from one creature to another.
Make a creationist read that and watch them squirm. Then, immediately afterward show them this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=m_c3CkSmT3c and watch them cry as their fantasy-world crumbles around them.
The Great Hippo
That second link was really fascinating. Thanks.
Actually, ID people only typically believe arguments from devoutly faithful public-speakers, and often feel dissuaded from listening to people who put science before faith.
It doesn't matter how much sense these guys make, if they don't have enough credibility in their opponent's eyes.
The best thing about devout Creationists is that it doesn't make a dfference either way. Biblical texts can be interpretated to support any point of view. Instead of just sucking it up and going to the "Oh yeah? Well what if God started evolution?!" argument, they try to prove spiritual texts with physical science. Talk about totally missing the point of your own faith.
I've never seen a Muslim scientist attempting to scientifically prove the existence of Djinn.
Well, I mean, "species" has a definition, doesn't it? X and Y are in the same species if X can bang Y and babies come out? Roughly speaking? Excepting asexual organisms, in which case we run into the problem you point out.
Except that some species can crossbreed. Most felines and canines can do it, for example. But just because a lion and a tiger can make a liger doesn't make them the same species.
Aren't all male ligers sterile, though? If two different animals can interbreed, but half, or more, of their offspring are always sterile, then I don't think it means they are actually the same species.
Cycads routinely break the biological and phenetic species concepts and only really seem to work in the evolutionary species model. They tend to speciate more through genetic drift than anything else.
|Smellvin - 2008-02-18 |
5'd for the inclusion of even Pascal's wager in the list of hackneyed religious fallacies.
|Cinnamon Imperialist - 2008-02-18 |
Strawmen are always funny.
|dead_cat - 2008-02-18 |
It's like a straight-C animation student tried to see how many of the creationists' most incompetant arguments could be packed into a 3-minute video. And then they still managed to shoehorn in some hellfire n' jesus.
|MurgatroidMendelbaum - 2008-02-18 |
This makes me feel guilty for going to church. Thanks a lot, SCIENCE!
|theSnake - 2008-02-18 |
So evil. (Not evolution.)
|Ahriman the Creepy Lurker - 2008-02-18 |
I used to believe in carbon dating, but this badly drawn cartoon set me straight.
|TrafficCone - 2008-02-18 |
Oh, God wants me in hell, I assure you.
|Rafiki - 2008-02-18 |
I didn't know the Penny Arcade guy was a wacky creationist.
|Adramelech - 2008-02-18 |
I like how they included alien intervention on the big chart of what people believe to hide from God, just in case someone gets cute with the "a species must take extra genetic information" line.
|fluffy - 2008-02-18 |
I can't tell if this is supposed to be pro- or anti-evolution. This makes it terrible in EVERY POSSIBLE WAY.
|The Great Hippo - 2008-02-18 |
Hey, I just noticed that the gen-x guy is the ONLY PERSON IN THE CLASSROOM. What the fuck is going on here?!
he was kept late for UPSETTING THE STATUS QUO
you know, the good status quo, not the status quo that tells us that we should listen to science (or is it sci-sin-ce?)
|oregano - 2008-02-18 |
Okay, who puked bad cg on my screen?
|Fur is Murder - 2008-02-18 |
The pro-creationism guy looks like that Marine who had his face burned off.
|Dummy Rum - 2008-02-18 |
I can't get over the part where Tubby says that Christianity is different because it's about faith, not works, then a few seconds later mentions something about "turning away from sin".
|EvilHomer - 2008-02-18 |
Alright, smart guy. You seem to have ALL THE ANSWERS. Whadda I gotta DO?
Almost loses a point for Gen-X Me not snapping back with "the biggest mistake in my eternal existence was not seeing Alice in Chains back in '93", but they worked hard on this, so 5 stars it is. Also, I like how the Creationist was cast as a fat, bespectacled baldo wearing stripes. Cinema-verite!
|citrusmirakel - 2008-02-18 |
"If you believe in Evilution, then you think you evolved from a rock."
Whoah, WHOAH! Let's try to at least have fundamental understanding of the thing we're debunking, no?
"We are made of starstuff." This is beyond their grasp.
|Aernaroth2 - 2008-02-18 |
5 stars for the transition from carbon dating to all other religions being wrong.
|FABIO2 - 2008-02-18 |
I...can't tell if this is serious or not.
How does believing in evolution preclude you from being a good person?
|kingarthur - 2008-02-18 |
God, I hate fundies.
Minus a star because this scenario didn't include Gen-X me just getting up and leaving. I also like how my Catholic roots got steamrolled in the evangelical mudslide there.
|Hooper_X - 2008-02-18 |
Man, I was this close to submitting this thing earlier today. Curses!
|themilkshark - 2008-02-18 |
What an angry Christian
|Malone - 2008-02-18 |
Sweet blessed mother, the responses are gold.
|Stopheles - 2008-02-18 |
So, um, where is there an evolutionist who claims that we evolved out of rocks?
Better rocks than clay.
|Cap'n Profan!ty - 2008-02-18 |
-5 stars for stupid
+1 stars for depicting a movie projector and not powerpoint
+1 stars for stereotype slacker
+1 stars for NOBODY ELSE IN THE FUCKING CLASSROOM
+1 stars for the Aa Bb Cc Dd stripe around the top of the room even though the concept of evolution is well above grade school level
+1 star for ludicrous retardation.
|a flaming monkey - 2008-02-18 |
Giant, fat, hairless christians kidnap children all the time then take them to classrooms and show them this same presentation.
a flaming monkey
I loved the sudden transition from a 'scientific' argument, to hyper conversion mode.
|StanleyPain - 2008-02-19 |
What, what? Carbon 14 is "SO FLAWED???" When did that happen? I am aware of Carbon 14 as being unreliable on certain kinds of artifacts, but what the shit are they talking about?
|GuyCorngood - 2008-02-19 |
The newer generations of fundies are soft. Jack Chick would have went to the effort of showing the snotty kid being cast into the hellfire by a giant angel.
|Xenocide - 2008-02-19 |
Only one person came to your presentation. And he hates you.
I like how he gets nostalgic for the good old days when scientists were in line with the scripture. Yes, the 14th century was a good time for all of us.
|takewithfood - 2008-02-19 |
I thought that if I was patient I'd get to see some creationists make an argument here, but.. oh well.
They heard the roar of several dozen internet geeks patting themselves on the back and moved on.
patting themselves on the back for being right where creationists are clearly totally wrong?
Yeah, I could see how that'd be a deterrent.
You really think there are creationists on the Portal of Evil? I figured the name alone would send them diving for cover, much less the mindless faceless godless hordes that inhabit the damned place.
|Paranatural - 2008-08-01 |
Holy Crap. I couldn't wade through all that stupid. I had to eject halfway through.
|Cleaner82 - 2008-08-24 |
The most rediculous and telling thing about this -- and there's a lot to choose from -- is the idea that if a concept is wrong, it is evil. That kind of thinking is why fundamental Christianity continues to kick and scream its way out of the world of reason.
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