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APE_GOD - 2010-03-18

needs a SOCIAL THEORY! tag.

Watch the whole thing. This is such horseshit. Opening with a monologue about Michael Jackson being fucked up and trying to relate his economic and political theory of pure socialism it to his is tantamount to pulling a Godwin.

His hatred of the modern world isn't just impractical and defeatist, it is hypocritical. He's like Chomsky but without the valuable contributions to a valid region of discourse like linguistics.

If you don't believe me, wait for the sycophantic Q&A session where someone asks him how we can 'stop looking at man like an animal and start looking at him as a creation of God' and Hedges responds without refuting the absurdity of the question. Actually, no. He is worse than Chomsky.

Chomsky would have eaten that guy alive.

Rodents of Unusual Size - 2010-03-18

I think he has some good points about the inherent rules about media in this country.

APE_GOD - 2010-03-18

Celebrity works the same way everywhere. UK tabloid and celebrity culture is an even stranger piece of science fiction than America's. Trying to treat culture theory as a serious science ends with nothing but a snivelling, obsquious fanbase that just knows how to bark back the same meaningless impractical theories, critcising everything, even policy that endeavors to actually change things, yet proposing nothing, nothing, except the possibility of time travel back before 'teh ebil corporations' as a solution.

Taking potshots at corporate culture is like shooting fish in a barrell, and sort of insulting to the real issues facing our generation and our world.

APE_GOD - 2010-03-18

er..supposed to be a reply to Mr Unsual Size

Rodents of Unusual Size - 2010-03-18

Yes, how dare someone take pot shots at corporate culture.


I am now on the last part of this and I think his main argument is solid regarding the corporate hold on the political sphere. Greed IS unchecked and the working class is under attack. There is very little here you can argue with except for the way he attached MJ at the beginning speech, which was rather weak. When he gets to the debt, the real wages of workers, and the debt spiral, he gets pretty solid.

I think his fears of a police state are valid.

Rodents of Unusual Size - 2010-03-18

I also think that the idea that Christian right would do exactly as he says...without a model for socialism to combat the corporate oligarchies people will turn to an extreme right Christian radical totalitarianism, is not far fetched. We're already seeing a lot of insanity from the Tea partiers who don't have any clue what their organization really stands for. If things worsen economically, people will get desperate and corporations are going to support the far right above the far left.

APE_GOD - 2010-03-18

Are his fears valid? Maybe. But I would rather his arguments be valid than the emotions behind them.

He is one of those people who would have rather seen our entire economy collapse on the possibility that a different system might emerge. Might emerge, and governed by what? He is rejecting the entirity of our modern world in favor of theoretical system that he cannot describe or explain.

It is not just this recession, the evaporation of localized culture, obesity and celebrity that 'inverted totalitarianism' created: it is every corner of our lifestyle it is everything that is occuring now, especially information technology.

He is criticizing Obama for not being visicously 'socialist' or 'liberal' during his first year of office, rejecting all media as a capitalist conspiracy (never mind his own career within this vile corporate monster he is telling us to ignore). He is not a man concerned with making the future, whatever it is, possible. He is a man rejecting the very subtance of which our current lives are made in favor of something he himself can't explain.

James Woods - 2010-03-18

We have a bingo!

dancingshadow - 2010-03-19

APE, which of his arguments do you find to be invalid ?

The Michael Jackson lead in was retarded.

I agree with you that this system has given us everything. Everything that we now have came rapidly out of this philosophy - that's the way it has been for millennium. The only difference now is the power of our technology and the scope of our influence on this planet. (That's really the point; the Earth is finite and we are at the borders.)

Even if he fails to present an ultimate final solution doesn't invalidate the warning.

He hints that life and the health of the planet have an intrinsic value that cannot be quantized with our current economic system. Just like how most western countries place an intrinsic value on human life and safety and create social programs to govern firefighting, police, and medical services. Things that fail utterly under capitalism or any profit motive.

It's not that difficult to extrapolate to the solution, we need global socialized healthcare for the planet.... hahahaha, that's funny, bye.

kingarthur - 2010-12-28

I'm five-starring the debate here. I've spent time reading up and listening to this guy and though many of his points are valid, he very much seems to be more interested in predicting doom and gloom than offering solutions. Yes, we need socialized healthcare. But Chris Hedges hasn't the first clue on how to get there.

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